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« Svar #60 på: Juni 15, 2018, 22:02:41 »
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« Svar #61 på: Juni 15, 2018, 22:05:14 »
Marcelo Bielsa

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« Svar #62 på: Juni 15, 2018, 22:09:33 »
Marcelo Bielsa

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Elsk meg på ekte...

Jeg vil at du vil at jeg skal kunne vinne, jeg vil ikke at du skal elske meg fordi jeg vant

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« Svar #63 på: Juni 15, 2018, 22:27:30 »
Det kommer nok mange Bielsa-artikler nå.
Her er BBC, og jeg lærer stadig noe nytt. :)

Marcelo Bielsa: Leeds United's new boss a complete 'one off'
By Tim Vickery
BBC Sport
 
Marcelo Bielsa looks on from the sidelines as Argentina take on Sweden in the 2002 World Cup
I well recall my first face-to-face experience with new Leeds United coach Marcelo Bielsa.
It was the 1999 Copa America and he was in charge of Argentina. His team had just been beaten 3-0 by Colombia, his centre forward Martin Palermo had missed three penalties and Bielsa had been sent off.
In the press conference he sat staring into space, refusing to make eye contact with anyone - his usual stance. He was asked what he had made of the referee's performance.
If the question was predictable, the answer was anything but.

"One doesn't usually have the habit of commenting on referees, but…" he said, leaving everyone to believe he would continue with a rant about a joker running amok with a whistle. Instead he proceeded with, "but in respect of my expulsion, the referee was absolutely correct because I protested in an ill mannered form."
It was a wonderful welcome to the gloriously eccentric world of Marcelo Bielsa, a complete one off who has spent his career dancing to his own drum.

From a family of illustrious lawyers in the city of Rosario, Bielsa instead followed his love for football and, when he realised he would not be a world class centre back, he switched his ambitions to coaching.
So revered is Bielsa at his local club, Newell's Old Boys, that the stadium is named after him. He is also revered in Chile. He was no longer in charge when the Chilean national team finally got their hands on some silverware, winning the Copa America in 2015 and 2016. But he had built the team, enthused the players with his spirit and then resigned and handed them over to his successors.

A Chile fan shows his appreciation to national coach Bielsa during a Copa America semi-final against Peru
When he took the Argentina job, at the end of his first training session Bielsa handed the players a pencil and a little slip of paper. He wanted them to write down whether they wanted to line up with a back three or a four. He went through all the replies.

"Back four, back four, back four... This clearly shows your preference for a line of four. But I'm telling you that from now on we're going to be playing with a back three. See you tomorrow," he said as he turned and walked off. And he won them over, bringing them round to his way of thinking.
Very few of his former players ever speak badly about him. If they show him they are prepared to run, then he showers them with support - and he usually lets the players elect their own captain on the grounds that he should be a representative of the dressing room rather than the coaching staff.

This is typical Bielsa. His esteem and importance, which has earned him admiration and glowing praise from Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino, comes far more from the influence he has exerted than for the trophies he has won.

That influence comes from the determination to do things his way.
Bielsa is the high priest of the high press. One of the his principal concepts is that in a team that wants to attack - and his teams always want to attack - the conventional full-back is a waste of a player.
He wants his width higher up the field. He wants both full-backs pushing up, linking with the wingers to create two-against-one situations down the flanks and squeezing the opposition back, smothering them in their own half.

Marcelo Bielsa signs two-year contract to become new Leeds United manager
It is a style of play that comes with risks - there is plenty of space behind the defensive line in which the opposition can launch their counter attacks. And it is a style that demands constant movement, relentless physical effort.
When it works it is exhilarating, the team launching wave after wave of attacks, leaving the opponent reeling on the ropes.

One of his most impressive sides was the Argentina team who qualified in fine style for the 2002 World Cup. Come the competition, though, they bombed out in the group phase. At the end of the European season the players were simply not fresh enough to carry out the gameplan.

Marcelo Bielsa screams at his players from the sidelines during Argentina's 1-1 draw with Sweden at the 2002 World Cup
This has to be a concern with Leeds. In his spells with Athletic Bilbao and Marseille it was noticeable that the team fell away towards the end of the campaign, drained by the tiring requirements of doing things the Bielsa way.

Had the season lasted six months, then the teams might have won some silverware. Nine months was asking too much. Over the gruelling course of a campaign in the Championship, this may be a problem.
It is also possible that the appointment has come too late. Bielsa is now approaching 63, and his last job - a spell in charge of Lille - was not a success.

What Bielsa proposed once came across as revolutionary. It may be the case that football has now largely incorporated his concepts of intense pressing, and that Bielsa no longer has novelty value.
But he will surely be energised by the atmosphere in English stadiums. While he was in charge of Argentina he had no place for the foot-on-the-ball elegance of playmaker Juan Roman Riquelme.
He went along to a testimonial match as the stadium of Boca Juniors, where Riquelme was an idol. Bielsa was jeered by a packed crowd - and he loved it. "It is the essence of football," he said of the fans' response.

He will now experience another type of essence in the Championship, and will doubtless be fascinated by the way that English crowds live and breathe football.
His appointment is excellent news for Leeds.

Providing he is given what he wants and terms of the contract are respected, Bielsa will launch himself into the project with a maniacal frenzy, barely sleeping as he ploughs through videos of future opponents.
Leeds players and fans now have a dream to be part of, and the Championship can boast the presence of one the most fascinating coaches in the global game.
 

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« Svar #66 på: Juni 16, 2018, 08:23:27 »
Omtrent på dagen for fire år siden bestemte Cellino seg for å ansette Dave Hockaday som ny trener for Leeds United. Man skulle ikke tro at dette er samme klubb ;)
Herregud så mye rart vi Leedssupportere opplever ;D
Bielsa har satt Leeds i ekstase før han har ankommet. Dette er stort og uvirkelig :)

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« Svar #68 på: Juni 16, 2018, 08:41:08 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap


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« Svar #69 på: Juni 16, 2018, 09:11:03 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)
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« Svar #70 på: Juni 16, 2018, 09:16:47 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp


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« Svar #71 på: Juni 16, 2018, 09:53:07 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp

Vi må vel legge på store beløp til lønninger også, ikke bare kjøpesummen. Hvis det kjøpes kvalitet.

Noen som vet hva slags type spillere Bielsa pleier å hente inn? Løpssterke? Tenikere? Fysiske?
Kan han få mye ut av spillere med sin taktikk /spille stil uten at de er kjempedyre?

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« Svar #72 på: Juni 16, 2018, 09:57:01 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp

Vi må vel legge på store beløp til lønninger også, ikke bare kjøpesummen. Hvis det kjøpes kvalitet.

Noen som vet hva slags type spillere Bielsa pleier å hente inn? Løpssterke? Tenikere? Fysiske?
Kan han få mye ut av spillere med sin taktikk /spille stil uten at de er kjempedyre?

Blir kalt verdens beste coach som får det beste ut av spillerene. Men vi må glemme at vi skal ha billigst mulige spillere. Kvalitet koster penger. Bedre med en god, enn to halvgode


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« Svar #73 på: Juni 16, 2018, 10:02:26 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp

Dem har inntil 20 mill pund å bruke, men målet var å få mest ut av pengene og de blir ikke brukt hvis dem ikke må. Kommer den rette spilleren så var dem klare til å bruke penger. Sunn tilnærming.

Tror nok flere kan få en ny vår med Bielsa. Han liker å bruke de han har og utvikle dem. Flere som vi ønsker ut har kvaliteter, det har dem vist før dem kom til Leeds og enkelte ganger i Leeds drakten. Men det har vist seg at å komme til Leeds kan være potensielt karriere drepende for mange spillere. Dette tror jeg blir annerledes under Bielsa. Innsats og hardt arbeid gir resultater. Ingenting hadde vært morsommere enn ann Phillips tar steget og spiller stabilt bra, Rey gjør anker plassen til sin egen, Sakho får ut sitt potensiale, Cooper solid hver gang han får sjansen, Dallas får av seg både noen kilo og piggsko sånn at han kan løpe osv. O'Kane var veldig god i starten forrige sesong og stort sett elending resten. Så potensialet er der. Har jo tross alt levert toppklasse i CC før og vært stabil i PL. Klarer han å få Anita til å skinne igjen, han var jo et rivjern på defensiv midtbane bare for noen år siden.

Forventer ny førstekeeper (Gunn) Et par stoppere (Bartley og han Argentineren på lån fra Spurs), ny midtbanespiller, en ving og ihvertfall en spiss, og det er nok Abel H.  Om det blir flere spisser avhenger vel av om Ekuban forsvinner (Noe som har blitt antydet) Roberts sitt nivå og om Roofe selges (Et klart JA for 7 mill pund)

Vi vil helt sikkert se enkelte som hentes er på et annet nivå enn tidligere, men tror også vi får se Bielsa signeringer som enkelte her inne vil bli skuffet over. Men sånn jeg har forstått angående Bielsa så er potensiale og at dem passer hans stil viktigere enn navn, pris og status.

Summasumarum, likevel håper jeg spillere som Dallas, O'Kane, Cibicki, De Bock,Antonsson, Anita, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Murphy og sikkert et par til selges/gis bort da stallen er stor og vi frigjør penger. Håper dem heller prioriterer de største talentene fra u-23 som back up.

Har ikke trua på å bruke masse penger og bytte ut halve stallen. Hvorfor bruke 20-35 mill pund når vi kanskje allerede har flere av dem hos oss allerede? Pengene som ikke brukes blir jo ikke borte. Greit å ha mulighet til å forsterke i januar, da er jo gode spillere ekstra dyre også.

Nevnt det før og slenger det ut igjen nå. Saiz, Alioski, Rey og Phillips blir STORE neste sesong. Samtidig så er det noe med Sakho jeg føler Bielsa kan klare å utnytte :)

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« Svar #74 på: Juni 16, 2018, 10:09:03 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp

Dem har inntil 20 mill pund å bruke, men målet var å få mest ut av pengene og de blir ikke brukt hvis dem ikke må. Kommer den rette spilleren så var dem klare til å bruke penger. Sunn tilnærming.

Tror nok flere kan få en ny vår med Bielsa. Han liker å bruke de han har og utvikle dem. Flere som vi ønsker ut har kvaliteter, det har dem vist før dem kom til Leeds og enkelte ganger i Leeds drakten. Men det har vist seg at å komme til Leeds kan være potensielt karriere drepende for mange spillere. Dette tror jeg blir annerledes under Bielsa. Innsats og hardt arbeid gir resultater. Ingenting hadde vært morsommere enn ann Phillips tar steget og spiller stabilt bra, Rey gjør anker plassen til sin egen, Sakho får ut sitt potensiale, Cooper solid hver gang han får sjansen, Dallas får av seg både noen kilo og piggsko sånn at han kan løpe osv. O'Kane var veldig god i starten forrige sesong og stort sett elending resten. Så potensialet er der. Har jo tross alt levert toppklasse i CC før og vært stabil i PL. Klarer han å få Anita til å skinne igjen, han var jo et rivjern på defensiv midtbane bare for noen år siden.

Forventer ny førstekeeper (Gunn) Et par stoppere (Bartley og han Argentineren på lån fra Spurs), ny midtbanespiller, en ving og ihvertfall en spiss, og det er nok Abel H.  Om det blir flere spisser avhenger vel av om Ekuban forsvinner (Noe som har blitt antydet) Roberts sitt nivå og om Roofe selges (Et klart JA for 7 mill pund)

Vi vil helt sikkert se enkelte som hentes er på et annet nivå enn tidligere, men tror også vi får se Bielsa signeringer som enkelte her inne vil bli skuffet over. Men sånn jeg har forstått angående Bielsa så er potensiale og at dem passer hans stil viktigere enn navn, pris og status.

Summasumarum, likevel håper jeg spillere som Dallas, O'Kane, Cibicki, De Bock,Antonsson, Anita, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Murphy og sikkert et par til selges/gis bort da stallen er stor og vi frigjør penger. Håper dem heller prioriterer de største talentene fra u-23 som back up.

Har ikke trua på å bruke masse penger og bytte ut halve stallen. Hvorfor bruke 20-35 mill pund når vi kanskje allerede har flere av dem hos oss allerede? Pengene som ikke brukes blir jo ikke borte. Greit å ha mulighet til å forsterke i januar, da er jo gode spillere ekstra dyre også.

Nevnt det før og slenger det ut igjen nå. Saiz, Alioski, Rey og Phillips blir STORE neste sesong. Samtidig så er det noe med Sakho jeg føler Bielsa kan klare å utnytte :)

Phillips er ikke god nok. Sacko er der hvor vi har vært med Kebe. Muligens topp ti av de verste signeringene i klubbens historie.


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« Svar #75 på: Juni 16, 2018, 10:17:35 »
"Will El Loco get 30mp warchest ? Will we find big names in? Will El Loco survive the whole season?"  "These questions—and many others—will be answered in the next episode of...Soap
...og hva er selveste HåPe's tips da, will we go all in? :)

Vel. Det som selges , gir penger inn, som bør investeres i samme pott som Loco allerede har fått. Så selger vi for 15mp ( kun et tall ), og Loco har fått 20mp i potten, ja da bør potten økes til 35mp

Dem har inntil 20 mill pund å bruke, men målet var å få mest ut av pengene og de blir ikke brukt hvis dem ikke må. Kommer den rette spilleren så var dem klare til å bruke penger. Sunn tilnærming.

Tror nok flere kan få en ny vår med Bielsa. Han liker å bruke de han har og utvikle dem. Flere som vi ønsker ut har kvaliteter, det har dem vist før dem kom til Leeds og enkelte ganger i Leeds drakten. Men det har vist seg at å komme til Leeds kan være potensielt karriere drepende for mange spillere. Dette tror jeg blir annerledes under Bielsa. Innsats og hardt arbeid gir resultater. Ingenting hadde vært morsommere enn ann Phillips tar steget og spiller stabilt bra, Rey gjør anker plassen til sin egen, Sakho får ut sitt potensiale, Cooper solid hver gang han får sjansen, Dallas får av seg både noen kilo og piggsko sånn at han kan løpe osv. O'Kane var veldig god i starten forrige sesong og stort sett elending resten. Så potensialet er der. Har jo tross alt levert toppklasse i CC før og vært stabil i PL. Klarer han å få Anita til å skinne igjen, han var jo et rivjern på defensiv midtbane bare for noen år siden.

Forventer ny førstekeeper (Gunn) Et par stoppere (Bartley og han Argentineren på lån fra Spurs), ny midtbanespiller, en ving og ihvertfall en spiss, og det er nok Abel H.  Om det blir flere spisser avhenger vel av om Ekuban forsvinner (Noe som har blitt antydet) Roberts sitt nivå og om Roofe selges (Et klart JA for 7 mill pund)

Vi vil helt sikkert se enkelte som hentes er på et annet nivå enn tidligere, men tror også vi får se Bielsa signeringer som enkelte her inne vil bli skuffet over. Men sånn jeg har forstått angående Bielsa så er potensiale og at dem passer hans stil viktigere enn navn, pris og status.

Summasumarum, likevel håper jeg spillere som Dallas, O'Kane, Cibicki, De Bock,Antonsson, Anita, Wiedwald, Lonergan, Murphy og sikkert et par til selges/gis bort da stallen er stor og vi frigjør penger. Håper dem heller prioriterer de største talentene fra u-23 som back up.

Har ikke trua på å bruke masse penger og bytte ut halve stallen. Hvorfor bruke 20-35 mill pund når vi kanskje allerede har flere av dem hos oss allerede? Pengene som ikke brukes blir jo ikke borte. Greit å ha mulighet til å forsterke i januar, da er jo gode spillere ekstra dyre også.

Nevnt det før og slenger det ut igjen nå. Saiz, Alioski, Rey og Phillips blir STORE neste sesong. Samtidig så er det noe med Sakho jeg føler Bielsa kan klare å utnytte :)

Phillips er ikke god nok. Sacko er der hvor vi har vært med Kebe. Muligens topp ti av de verste signeringene i klubbens historie.

Vi får svaret på det etterhvert. Sakho har jeg egentlig gitt opp, men at han har noe uforløst er det ingen tvil om.

Phillips var vel toppscorer etter 10 kamper, spilte fantastisk. Falt sammen som et dårlig stablet korthus som resten av laget. En Phillips som blir pisket til å løpe box to box mener jeg har alle forutsettninger for å lykkes. Time will show :)

Alt ser uansett mye bedre ut i dag enn på samme tid i fjor, og da hadde vi hatt en ganske ok sesong. Blir spennende fremover. :)

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« Svar #76 på: Juni 16, 2018, 12:13:56 »
Under 18 coach Mark Jackson

Extremely excited. Be fantastic for us as coaches to have such a manager at the club  #mot

Hmm.. dette er noko som endå ikkje har vore omdiskutert, så vidt eg kan sjå.

Trur de Bielsas' trenareigenskapar vil "smitte nedover" i systemet? Ein skal jo ikkje sjå vekk ifrå at resterande trenara i klubben kan dra nytte av den enorme kunnskapsbasen / databasen kalla Bielsa?

Skal berre sjå at Leeds om 5 år er full av sjølvtenkande, innovative trenarar  ;D

EDIT: Håpar berre språkbarrieren ikkje vert for stor / langvarig.. Han får ha engelsktimar på øyra medan han ser fotballkampar på TV'en  ;) ;)

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« Svar #77 på: Juni 16, 2018, 14:58:13 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.

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« Svar #78 på: Juni 16, 2018, 15:46:34 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.

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« Svar #79 på: Juni 16, 2018, 15:49:41 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.
...slik jeg ser det har han et stort potensiale innen Bielsa-fotballen (løpskapasitet, god i press og gjenvinning pluss et godt skudd) men har èn ting han må jobbe kraftig med, pasningskvaliteten...
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« Svar #80 på: Juni 16, 2018, 16:09:33 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.
...slik jeg ser det har han et stort potensiale innen Bielsa-fotballen (løpskapasitet, god i press og gjenvinning pluss et godt skudd) men har èn ting han må jobbe kraftig med, pasningskvaliteten...


Liten tro på at han har tempo nok til denne fotballen. Eller nivået generelt.
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« Svar #81 på: Juni 16, 2018, 16:27:51 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.

Nei men er jo mer sammensatt.tror bielsas spillestil er til hans fordel. Tror han vil tjene på å få en definert rolle. De siste 3 trenerene har jo ikke funnet ut hvor han er best.
At han har potensial til å spille PL er det lite tvil om. Men han er avhengig av en god sesong i CC.

Vi har jo drevet å brukt han som dyptliggende ballfordeler. Nytter ikke. Høyt i banen og han leverer mål og målsjanser.
Laget trenger motpoler til saiz, pablo, ev vydra og Abel.
Vi rykker ikke opp med 6 like offensive typer

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« Svar #82 på: Juni 16, 2018, 16:34:23 »
Konkurrentene våre er også topp 6 cc ikke topp 6 pl.
På silt ja, men vi er fortsatt et middels CC lag med en ikke utømmelig lommebok.
Vi må handle inn kvalitet først og fremst der det skriker. Tviler på st vi kommer til å kjøpe inn 11 nye spillere.
Men for all del. Rad og orta overrasker og vil overraske mer i juli måned  8)

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« Svar #83 på: Juni 16, 2018, 16:35:29 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.

Nei men er jo mer sammensatt.tror bielsas spillestil er til hans fordel. Tror han vil tjene på å få en definert rolle. De siste 3 trenerene har jo ikke funnet ut hvor han er best.
At han har potensial til å spille PL er det lite tvil om. Men han er avhengig av en god sesong i CC.

Vi har jo drevet å brukt han som dyptliggende ballfordeler. Nytter ikke. Høyt i banen og han leverer mål og målsjanser.
Laget trenger motpoler til saiz, pablo, ev vydra og Abel.
Vi rykker ikke opp med 6 like offensive typer
Det kan godt hende dine analyser er riktige mht Phillips. I min verden har han ikke gode nok basisferdigheter til å være i startellveren til Leeds eller i et PL lag. Ikke spesielt rask, takler ofte klønete, ikke spesielt god i lufta, dårlig i pasningsspill. Han har bra løpskapasitet, det skal han ha. Blir overrasket hvis Bielsa satser på ham. Men for alt hva jeg vet, så må jeg kanskje ete i meg ordene :)

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« Svar #84 på: Juni 16, 2018, 16:45:04 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.

Nei men er jo mer sammensatt.tror bielsas spillestil er til hans fordel. Tror han vil tjene på å få en definert rolle. De siste 3 trenerene har jo ikke funnet ut hvor han er best.
At han har potensial til å spille PL er det lite tvil om. Men han er avhengig av en god sesong i CC.

Vi har jo drevet å brukt han som dyptliggende ballfordeler. Nytter ikke. Høyt i banen og han leverer mål og målsjanser.
Laget trenger motpoler til saiz, pablo, ev vydra og Abel.
Vi rykker ikke opp med 6 like offensive typer
Det kan godt hende dine analyser er riktige mht Phillips. I min verden har han ikke gode nok basisferdigheter til å være i startellveren til Leeds eller i et PL lag. Ikke spesielt rask, takler ofte klønete, ikke spesielt god i lufta, dårlig i pasningsspill. Han har bra løpskapasitet, det skal han ha. Blir overrasket hvis Bielsa satser på ham. Men for alt hva jeg vet, så må jeg kanskje ete i meg ordene :)

Klart han har begrensninger. Det er det ingen tvil om.
Men under Bielsa kommer vi til å opptre mer tro mot sterke prinsipper og formasjon.
Øyvind Leonardsen var ikke noe Zidane, men enormt viktig i Drillos suksess.
Han hadde en nøkkelrolle i et bra kollektiv. Spissferdigheter som gagnet laget. Viktig at balansen vår blir bedre neste sesong. Vi manglet ulikheter og spisskompetanse. Var like ille som under warnock spør du meg

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Marcelo Bielsa etter Argentinas 1-1 mot Island i dag:

"Si uno intenta y falla, merece el reclamo, pero mucho más reprochable es la no acción".

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"Hvis du prøver og feiler, fortjener du kravet, men mye mer forkastelig er det ingen handling."
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Bielsa-analyse fra 2015 - ganske god:

Who is Marcelo Bielsa, fabled manager and cult hero?
El Loco has won league titles in Argentina and an Olympic gold medal with the national team but his personality, vision and tacticals have made him a cult hero

By Matt Gault for These Football Times, part of the Guardian Sport Network

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Thu 17 Dec 2015 06.05 EST Last modified on Wed 21 Feb 2018 08.21 EST

With one brief, shocking press conference, he was gone. Following Olympique Marseille’s 1-0 defeat to Caen in August, Marcelo Bielsa announced that he was stepping down as head coach. “I took my decision on Wednesday,” the coach told perplexed cluster of journalists. “I’ve finished my work here. I’m going back to Argentina.”

After a characteristically headline-grabbing, exhilaratingly chaotic 12 months in charge, Bielsa’s rising tide in Ligue 1 was suddenly no more. He had drafted a resignation letter but left it in his office as he took charge of the club for the last time. Patrolling the technical area with the usual maniacal paroxysm, nobody inside the packed Stade Vélodrome would have suspected that, buried beneath a flurry of thoughts in Bielsa’s restless mind, he was planning to announce his departure.


Unsurprisingly, the news hit the fans and players hard. After arriving in the summer of 2014, the notorious, fanatical doctrine of “Bielsista’ had captured the imagination of the club’s voracious supporters. He had swept into the south of France in a wave of excitement and wasted no time in endearing himself to the raucous MTP (Marseille Trop Puissant – the club’s most hardened faction of supporters).

He started with a bang, too. Marseille, as documented by Philippe Auclair, is one of France’s “crazier” clubs. A Marseillas is undoubtedly a fan of unrelenting passion, but the club’s support have experienced a whirlwind of emotions over the past number of years, with everything from winning the Champions League in 1993 to suffering a decade of decline prompted by the financial irregularities and match-fixing scandal surrounding then president Bernard Tapie, which plunged them into enforced relegation while being stripped of the Ligue 1 title they had won in 1993. The never-ending carousel of managers further added to the sense of volatility at the club.

Bielsa was the club’s 36th head coach in 28 years. Known affectionately as “El Loco”, he came with a sparkling reputation for being one of the most revered tactical thinkers in the game. By Christmas, the south of France was already gripped with Bielsista fever. His remarkably intense persona seemed to align well with the club’s fans and the marriage was serene in its first few months.


After an initial stumble in his first two matches, a breathlessly frustrating 3-3 draw with Bastia and a 2-0 home defeat to Montpellier, the Bielsa effect began to take hold – and the former Chile and Athletic Bilbao boss oversaw a glorious run of eight consecutive victories. Thanks in no small part to the prodigious goalscoring talents of André-Pierre Gignac up front, Bielsa’s well-documented hard-pressing philosophy had been embraced by the players and, as a result, they were operating with optimum efficiency and fluidity.

They alternated between his trademark 3-3-1-3 and a more conservative – but equally effective – 4-2-3-1. Although it differed slightly in shape from some of the Bielsa teams down the years, the philosophy was very much the same. Through a combination of tireless workrate and intelligent positioning, Marseille bamboozled a number of teams as they rode the crest of a wave in September and October, recording resounding victories over Nice, Rennes and Reims.

By the start of December, Marseille were top of the table and plenty of column inches in the French press had been dedicated to portraying Bielsa as a mastermind coach. Marseille’s talented squad was tested to the extreme by their coach’s intensive, militaristic methods in training, but they were responding to his charisma – and his vision.


“The workouts are intense but enlightening, technically and tactically,” said Gignac. “He knows everything to the smallest detail. I glanced at his training schedules; there are hundreds of them and every one featured games he analysed. He taught us a vibrant, real type of football.” This snapshot of glowing praise from one of Bielsa’s prized assets illustrated exactly how he can enrapture footballing minds. Marseille’s young and technically gifted players were desperate for a leader and, with Bielsa’s level of meticulousness now available to them, they bagged themselves a pretty good one.

Plenty of footage from Bielsa’s training sessions at La Commanderie, Marseille’s resplendent training facility, is available on YouTube – and it makes for compelling viewing. We see him totally engaged with his side, barking orders and remonstrating wildly while they play the football of his making. At the end of the sessions, Bielsa claps and lauds the efforts of his players, patting them on the back while they attempt to get their breath back.

Bielsa demands a lot from players, but they respond to his philosophy and, like him, have confidence in the benefits of playing such chaotic, aggressive football. Bielsa has always issued instructions, team talks, lectures and video analysis sessions with the utmost self-confidence. At Marseille, certainly during the first half of the season, there was an overriding sense that the fans and first-team squad had bought it into what he was preaching.


Bielsa has always adhered to the “running is everything” motto and his players didn’t shy away from this taxing physical demand. From the outside looking in, Bielsa may have cut a ghastly figure, stalking the pitch on the touchline and displaying an explosive temperament. But to Marseille, he had quickly grown to become their leader.

However, not long after Bielsa’s honeymoon period at the Vélodrome, the romance petered out and made way for a spell of drama and discord. After the turn of the year, defeats became regular as performances became erratic. Having been perched at Ligue 1’s summit in December, they lumbered through a period in April that included four straight defeats, including a particularly bruising 3-2 home defeat to PSG.

Wildly unpredictable by this stage, Bielsa guided his side through a strong finish in winning their last four league games, including an enthralling 4-0 victory away at Lille in the penultimate game. But the mood had changed and matters behind the scenes had become less than sanguine. Club president Vincent Labrune had initially hailed the appointment of Bielsa as a wonderful moment for Marseille and compared it to “signing Lionel Messi for 12 months”. Labrune was hoping to retain Bielsa’s services for a far greater length of time but it didn’t work out as either party had hoped.


Bielsa’s departure seemed to come out of nowhere. Just 48 hours before addressing the media for the final time, the coach had talked positively about his contract but differences with Labrune had prompted his decision to depart. And like that, Marseille were plunged into darkness as Bielsa closed another eventful chapter in his storied career.

Why, then, do we celebrate a manager who overworked his side to the point of physical collapse and resigned after just a year in charge? Because his ideas are bold, daring and revolutionary. He may not be held in the same regard as more trophy-laden managers of the modern game, but he still stands among a select few as an innovator, a thinker, a mentor and a symbol of footballing intellect.

His acumen and grasp of tactical intricacies is borne out of his upbringing in a successful, career-driven family. His brother Rafael is a former minister of foreign relations in Argentina and his sister, Maria Eugenia, is a renowned architect. But Bielsa was not interested in such a career. He was driven from a very young age to be a footballer, and left home at 15 to live at the club accommodation at Newell’s Old Boys. It was here, at one of Argentina’s most illustrious clubs, that the seeds of Bielsa’s undying football obsession were sown.

Bielsa’s grandfather amassed a colossal collection of books and his grandson cultivated an unusual obsession with video footage. Bielsa has spent months of his managerial career consuming reams and reams of videos, constantly perpetuating his education as a student of football. He impressed the Vélez Sarsfield board when he was interviewed for the manager’s position in 1997 when he brought several tapes as proof of how he could improve the team. It quickly became apparent that he had an astonishing work ethic.

Bielsa is an exhausting coach to work with, something that has been attributed to his demanding mother who was tough to impress. However, in spite of this, he couldn’t quite make it playing football. He was a technical defender but lacked pace and spent the bulk of his career floating anonymously around Argentina’s lower leagues before deciding to quit the game and study physical education.

His first major coaching role was with the Buenos Aires university football team and he spent two years there before returning to Newell’s and establishing himself as a protégé with the reserves. He eventually replaced José Yudica as first-team coach and facilitated a dramatic change. Bielsa introduced a flexible, fluid 4-3-3 with pacey wingers who were able to adapt to a 3-4-3 seamlessly. The system began to work after Bielsa organised structured, regimented and wholly intense training schedules that mixed tactical sessions, ball work and video analysis. Bielsa demanded a lot – even from the youngest members of the squad.


The players were required to prepare detailed dossiers on the opposition and have the capacity to highlight key moments in play during a video session. Bielsa would ask a player to demonstrate a tactical trend or mishap from screenshots and footage. This particular method has grown in popularity over the years, but back then it was fresh and innovative, with Old Boys claiming the league title after a playoff victory over Boca Juniors.

Of course, there were heartaches as well as ecstasies at Newell’s and, at times, football threatened to swallow him up. His reactions to losing were sometimes extreme and difficult to comprehend. After the acute ignominy of being hammered 6-0 by Santa Fe, Bielsa locked himself away and reflected deeply on the game. “I shut myself in my room,” he said. “I turned off the light, closed the curtains, and I realised the true meaning of an expression we sometimes use lightly: ‘I want to die.’ I burst into tears. I could not understand what was happening around me. I suffered as a professional and I suffered as a fan.

“For three months our daughter was held between life and death,” he later said. “Now she is fine. Does it make any sense that I want the earth to swallow me over the result of a football match? The reasoning was brilliant, but nonetheless, my suffering from what had happened demanded immediate vindication.”


Extraordinary. We can see how Bielsa views football. It is not just a game for him, but a way of life, an ideal. Like many, Bielsa became fascinated with the Total Football philosophy pioneered by Rinus Michels with the Dutch side in the 1970s. Bielsa believed, like Michels and later Arrigo Sacchi, that it was important to embrace and encourage the versatility within a player.

He formulated the 4-3-3/3-4-3 system and has abided by four core principles: concentración, permanente movilidad, rotación y repenitización (concentration, permanent focus, rotation and improvisation). His school of thought occupied somewhere between the two prevailing ideologies in Argentinian football – menottista (romantic idealist) and bilardista (territorial and tactically driven), from César Luis Menotti and Carlos Bilardo, who guided their country to World Cup success in 1978 and 1986 respectively.

Bielsa was also influenced by Uruguayan legend Óscar Tabárez and, solidifying his doctrine, he guided Newell’s to the Copa Libertadores final in 1992, where they lost to São Paulo. Following that Bielsa resigned, much to the dismay of his players. However, his managerial model and tactical approach had been cemented – and he was ready for new challenges.

Bielsa spent six years as the head coach of the national team, winning an Olympic gold medal in 2004. Although he didn’t succeed in the World Cup in 2002, Bielsa’s reputation as an accomplished tactical brain was burgeoning and he was high in demand after leaving Argentina. His next journey was with Chile, and it was under him that La Roja became one of the most electrifying teams in world football.

Innovative and thrilling in the 3-3-1-3 system, Bielsa’s Chile were inherently attacking and pressed high up the pitch aggressively. They progressed to the last-16 in the 2010 World Cup but were ultimately undone by an on-song Brazil. Although they were humbled by their South American counterparts, Bielsa’s popularity soared in Chile and there was, once again, a great deal of sorrow when he resigned, citing differences with the country’s football federation.

For many, it was Bielsa’s emergence as manager of Athletic Bilbao that made them sit up and take notice. He took over from Joaquín Caparrós in the summer of 2011 and once again enacted dramatic changes to the set-up and style of football. Bilbao had finished sixth under Caparrós but there were growing concerns over his particularly bland style and when Josu Urrutia – a former midfielder and club legend – became Bilbao’s president, Bielsa was instated.

Typically, Bielsa had no qualms in abandoning the tactics of his predecessor to mould his own side. Javi Martínez, Bielsa thought, was suited more to being deployed deeper into the defensive line, while he introduced genuine width in the play with Markel Susaeta, Iker Muniain and Ibai Gómez. Ander Herrera was signed from Real Zaragoza in 2011 and immediately became instrumental to Bielsa’s attacking vision at San Mamés.

Bielsa’s off-field eccentricities manifested themselves full throttle at Bilbao. Months after he had arrived, the players were still amused and baffled by him. His preparation for taking over as head coach was immense – and it amazed them. Before Bielsa took his first training session, he had watched all 38 of Bilbao’s league games from the previous season, writing a mountain of notes and collating them together into coherent lectures. But, as it had done with the Chile national team, Bielsa’s madness was infectious and charming. In training, Bielsa demanded the absolute maximum from everyone, overseeing gruelling sprint sessions before playing out potential match situations, with Bielsa always preaching high pressure and joining in as much as he observed.

He taught the Basque players how to synchronise their movement and, most noticeably, how to out-run the opposition. Bielsa’s teachings came full circle in their fascinating two-legged display against Manchester United in the Europa League last-16 in March 2012. Bielsa’s hard-running, relentless outfit completely outplayed Sir Alex Ferguson’s side. Beleaguered, yes, from their group stage exit from the Champions League, but there wouldn’t have been much a high-flying United team could have done about Bilbao.

United may have taken the lead but Bilbao were never perturbed. They didn’t veer from Bielsa’s tactics and, come the end of the night, it was the men in green that were huddled in joy on the Old Trafford turf, as the home supporters applauded in appreciation at the sheer quality of the visitors. Bielsa was a bundle of restless energy on the touchline – as usual – but his incessant pacing wasn’t done in vain and, by the time Muniain had scored his side’s third goal, all of Europe were talking about Bielsa’s Bilbao.

That season, he guided Los Leones to the final of both the Europa League and the Copa del Rey. They fell short on both occasions, but Bielsa had constructed an exciting Bilbao team and drew glowing praise from onlookers. Pep Guardiola, who felt a strong affinity with Bielsa after seeking his advice at the start of his own managerial career, described Bilbao as “fascinating” and labelled the players as “beasts”. Ferguson complimented Bielsa’s organisation and determination, accepting that his United side had been well and truly beaten.

His project at Bilbao started to unravel before his eventual departure but he left a great legacy and impression in that part of Spain, like he did with all of his teams. Shortly after he resigned from Marseille, there were reports that he was in talks to succeed another towering personality in Miguel Herrera as Mexico coach. In a way, I’m glad that didn’t happen. When Sam Allardyce left West Ham, some fans dreamed of Bielsa. He is yet to grace the Premier League and, although some have argued that his chaotic style is more suited to international football, moving to Swansea City would represent another intriguing prospect in his career.

Some managers should not be judged on their haul of trophies and titles. Bielsa is one of them. Three Argentinian league titles and an Olympic gold is maybe not a spectacular return but that should not be the barometer with which we measure Bielsa’s genius and his impact on the way modern football is played.

Perhaps his theoretical preachings should be tempered to win trophies, without Bielsa we may well never have had the glory of watching Guardiola’s Barcelona, such was his impact on the Spaniard and his work as manager. His interminable quest for the ideal is what keeps drawing people to Bielsa. While he never may win a Champions League or World Cup, Bielsa’s profound effect on tactical trends and coaching philosophies is what makes him a mastermind. He is one that has always prioritised the execution of the process over the eventual outcome and football should love him for it, even if he exhausts as much as he invigorates. Savour it while it lasts.

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« Svar #88 på: Juni 16, 2018, 19:12:30 »
Stor sjanse for at phillips kan blomstre under Bielsa. Undervurdert, stort potensiale. Kraft og pondus offensivt i banen. Han er ikke ballfordeler. Men gode løp og kraft skal man aldri undervurdere i et godt balansert lag
Rey er vel også en spiller som jeg tror vil nyte godt sv bielsa.
Jeg kan ikke se at Phillips er god nok for PL. Han har vært ujevn, men har gjort mye rart i en del kamper.
At potensialet skal være så veldig stort har jeg ihvertfall sett lite av.

Nei men er jo mer sammensatt.tror bielsas spillestil er til hans fordel. Tror han vil tjene på å få en definert rolle. De siste 3 trenerene har jo ikke funnet ut hvor han er best.
At han har potensial til å spille PL er det lite tvil om. Men han er avhengig av en god sesong i CC.

Vi har jo drevet å brukt han som dyptliggende ballfordeler. Nytter ikke. Høyt i banen og han leverer mål og målsjanser.
Laget trenger motpoler til saiz, pablo, ev vydra og Abel.
Vi rykker ikke opp med 6 like offensive typer
Det kan godt hende dine analyser er riktige mht Phillips. I min verden har han ikke gode nok basisferdigheter til å være i startellveren til Leeds eller i et PL lag. Ikke spesielt rask, takler ofte klønete, ikke spesielt god i lufta, dårlig i pasningsspill. Han har bra løpskapasitet, det skal han ha. Blir overrasket hvis Bielsa satser på ham. Men for alt hva jeg vet, så må jeg kanskje ete i meg ordene :)

Bare begynn å spis :D

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« Svar #89 på: Juni 16, 2018, 19:50:06 »
Gikk vel et knapt døgn før sytingen på egne spillere begynte å ta overhånd i trådene igjen........  For en gjeng.