Emne: Tema: Den store spillestil-tråden!

[Gufrias]

Enig i at vi bør klare å spille inn en firer, men spillerne må selvsagt være gode nok! Vi henter stadig inn kortsiktige løsninger som ikke hever laget, samtidig som backfireren ser ulik ut nesten før hver eneste kamp. Det nytter ikke.

Den defensive organiseringen er ikke god nok, det ser selvsagt alle og har gjort det i lengre tid. At SG er ute og sier det samme, er på sin plass, men det virker ikke som han helt er kapabel til å ta problemet ved roten.

Kan ikke se at det ville vært skadelig for trenerteamet å hente inn en ny defensiv trener. Jeg klarer ikke helt å se at vår backfirer hadde vært like lekk i en annen klubb, etter en viss tid...

Hva styrer Martin Keown med for tida?

Keown har æren for Arsenals imponerende forsvarsspill. 

Keown joined the coaching staff of Newbury in August 2005, but is now coaching back at former club Arsenal where he is taking his coaching badges. He has been identified by former Arsenal manager Terry Neill as a key figure behind the success of Arsenal's inexperienced "new-look" defence (which the team resorted to after ongoing injury problems in the 2005/06 season, notably setting a record for minutes played without conceding in the Champions League).[12] In 2007–08 Keown was also a coach for the Oxford University Blues Football team on a part time basis.[13]
 
Keown regularly appears as a pundit on the BBC's football coverage and Match of the Day, as well as covering the Champions League for Irish broadcaster TV3. He was also working for ESPN UK during the 2011 Emirates Cup.

[Dennis]

Vi trenger ikke akkurat Arsenals defensive oppskrift.

[Promotion 2010]

En evighet siden denne tråden ble startet, men god grunn til å ta opp igjen diskusjonen om spillestil.

Nå som Murphy til en hel million pund er kommet inn så kan det diskuteres hva manager McDermott skal gjøre med alle disse mditbanespillerne i klubben.

McD er vel en tilhenger av en diamant på midten med et anker og balldistributør i forkant av forsvaret. Han ønsker vel også minst en kant inn (venstre ?). Byram har jo eid høyrekanten i fjor, men jeg tror det gjør oss sårbare defensivt mot organisert motstand. Kanskje to kanstspillere bør handles inn.

Defensivt holder Lees mål, men trenger en organisator ved sin side. Pearce har mange kvaliteter, men ser ut til å tape de viktigste duallene. Fortsatt ikke en som har tatt steget helt opp, etter min mening.

Fremme i angrep trenger vi en le Flondre som måltyv! Kanskje...kanskje med de pengene vi har i klubbkassa!

Så tilbake til midten:
Green kan bli en potet ved siden av Murphy denne sesongen...

Let’s Think Deeply About Paul Green

Posted on July 2, 2013 by awinehouse • 1 Comment
 
Paul Green is a positional conundrum wrapped in an enigma, dunked in a tub of ketchup and slathered all over a plate of mysteries. Where does he play?
 
On first deployment he was shepherded into the right midfield berth, despite clearly not being a winger. His job there was, presumably, to provide balance and allow for the ‘flair’ of Luke Varney on the left. It worked, but mainly because Sam Byram existed and did all of the attacking on Green’s behalf. Yes Paul Green scored, but he never truly looked comfortable in that role.
 
As resident Irishman Eamonn Dalton would probably tell you, for his national side Green has played at the base of the midfield. With McDermott’s appointment came a shift in Green’s position to the bottom of a midfield diamond, mirroring his international role. Defence became the name of the game and it was here that Green excelled. There are questions over Green’s technical aptitude, but in terms of work effort and defensive positioning he is astounding.
 
The signing of Luke Murphy immediately injects significant creative play into Leeds United’s first team. Where before there was a reliance on McCormack dropping deeper and carrying out these duties, a natural midfielder can do it now. When his midfield partner is discussed, it would be foolish to look much further than Green.
 
Rudy Austin was viewed by many as a big bruising defensive midfielder when he was signed, but he has proven he is best when driving towards goal, not sitting deep and defending it. Green would provide an ideal balance to Murphy, allowing the youngster to move up the pitch as play does and show the same sort of goal scoring prowess that he did at Wembley last season. In fact, Green’s usefulness in that role is such that it would make sense to partner others with Green in the event of any absence of Murphy. Whilst neither player would offer much in creativity, Austin would benefit from playing alongside Green as he did against Burnley.
 
The ever increasingly commonality of a player in the number ten role requires the use of players like Green, who ensure that those Raumdeuteren or “space investigators” do not find an area to exploit between the lines of midfield and defence. Unmarshalled here they can be devastating. Green’s work levels and defensive understanding means he is the ideal player to deploy to counteract this threat. No, he does not kick people like Michael Brown, but that is how the role functions in the modern game, stopping the problem before it develops through positioning and contracting space. Tasked with doing so against Zlatan Ibrahimovic last season for Ireland, Green had an exceptional game, dealing with Ibra, who plays in the hole for Sweden. Green stopped Zlatan filling that hole. The Championship requires an ability to grind out games, and Green could be heroic in this task if he continues to be played deep.
 
Follow Amitai Winehouse on Twitter (@awinehouse1).

http://www.thesquareball.net/2013/07/02/lets-think-deeply-about-paul-green/


...en skikkelig bra potet!   

[Jon R]

Vi må beholde Green! Vil helst se han sentralt, men er det plass til han der?   

[bwirum]

Vi må beholde Green! Vil helst se han sentralt, men er det plass til han der?   

Green har gjort mye bra, og mest som anker egentlig. Er vel litt av det han skriver i artikkelen der og. Få han som et anker/sweeper-lignende på midten og vår nye diamond in the rough som ballfordeler og kreativ kraft foran så har vi gjort mye med midten vår.

Inn med 2 vinger og en ny stopper. Og en superspiss.

[Promotion 2010]

Can Leeds follow the German blueprint? ‏
14/07/20140 Comments
 
By Keith Ingham
 
So the World Champions Germany were crowed in Rio at the magnificent Maracana stadium. The hard work for this victory started back in 2009 when the Germans won the Under 21 Championship when Neuer, Howedes, Boateng, Khedira (c), Ozil plus a strong squad did so well in the tournament and battered England 4-0 in the final. These boys were special and the German FA knew it.

Howard Wilkinson, around fifteen years ago approached the English FA with a model of how to transform the structure of the game, incredibly given Wilkinson's football pedigree he was not given the nod to implement his plans but the Germans did, although not completely the same, they overhauled their federation from top to bottom. Fifteen years later the fruits of these changes sit at the top of the international tree.

I'm suggesting that Leeds United should follow a similar formula with the likes of established youngsters Tom Lees, Sam Byram and Alex Mowatt leading the way, with Chris Dawson and Lewis Walters hopefully following them into the first team. There's others, Dominic Poleon has been in and around the first team for a couple of seasons and others travelled to Italy for experience. Matt Smith, hopefully will be leading the line, there is a small basis for hope. We will not in the near future be able to follow the Leicester's of this world by 'flashing the cash', Mr Cellino is hardly setting the imagination alight with his signings to present. They may indeed be good or great players but the Championship demands physical attributes which may be too much for the players brought in. I hope I'm wrong.

The one thing against the model shown to be a success with Germany is that previously the outgoings of promising players at Elland Road has been uncomfortably regular and this must put any plan at great risk. We did indeed try to build a team around Ross McCormack but it was a failure as others in the team didn't or wouldn't put in the effort to make it a success and in the end the money offered was just too much to turn down plus the player wanted to leave. The finances at the club seem better than for a long time and I'm hoping for a good season. Anything must be better than the dross offered up in the last two seasons. I'd settle for top ten this season and go from there.

Maybe this year it's time to indeed look at the World Champions and realise they've done all they have because of two things, faith in themselves and bloody hard teamwork. A great lesson for all.

Well done Germany, worthy winners of the 2014 World Cup.

[Promotion 2010]

En viktig statistisk merknad fra forrige sesong.

Leeds completed 72% of their passes in the Championship last season.

Ikke bra nok.

[Promotion 2010]

Leon Wobschall

DH in his notes: 'Together, we will completely change the philosophy of this football club. We want to become feared as a passing team #lufc

 

[Jon R]

Leon Wobschall

DH in his notes: 'Together, we will completely change the philosophy of this football club. We want to become feared as a passing team #lufc

 

En positiv men ambisiøs målsetning! McAllister prøvde på noe av det samme i League One og mislyktes. For mye posession kan gjøre oss baktunge og inneffektive og kan være forferdelig å se på når det ikke fungerer.  Spørsmålet er om vi har spillere til å gjennomføre dette i praksis?

[Promotion 2010]

Leon Wobschall

DH in his notes: 'Together, we will completely change the philosophy of this football club. We want to become feared as a passing team #lufc

 

En positiv men ambisiøs målsetning! McAllister prøvde på noe av det samme i League One og mislyktes. For mye posession kan gjøre oss baktunge og inneffektive og kan være forferdelig å se på når det ikke fungerer.  Spørsmålet er om vi har spillere til å gjennomføre dette i praksis?

I dag hadde vi det.

Barcelona får det til. Ajax hadde og har stor suksess med det.

Vi har en mengde ungdommer som kan formes til denne spillestilen og en effektiv variant av den. 

[Jon R]

Leon Wobschall

DH in his notes: 'Together, we will completely change the philosophy of this football club. We want to become feared as a passing team #lufc

 

En positiv men ambisiøs målsetning! McAllister prøvde på noe av det samme i League One og mislyktes. For mye posession kan gjøre oss baktunge og inneffektive og kan være forferdelig å se på når det ikke fungerer.  Spørsmålet er om vi har spillere til å gjennomføre dette i praksis?

I dag hadde vi det.

Barcelona får det til. Ajax hadde og har stor suksess med det.

Vi har en mengde ungdommer som kan formes til denne spillestilen og en effektiv variant av den. 

Hope so! Ajax modellen eller varianter av denne har jeg ønsket i klubben i årevis! Skal den målsetningen lykkes kan vi ikke  sparke og ansatte nye "trenere" hver sesong som hver og en har "det fulle og hele sportslige ansvaret" for hvordan klubben skal spille fotball slik det hevdes at DH har nå.

Ã… skape kontinuitet på trenersiden blirdermed en av Cellinos store utfordringer hvis vi skal ta historien hans på alvor. Og det skal vi jo. 

[Promotion 2010]

The Hock gir noen svar her:

I believe in players more than they do – Hockaday

Leeds United's head coach David Hockaday gives instructions to his players during a break in play against Dundee United.
Published on the
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2014
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AS baptisms of fire go, a trip to Millwall has to be right up there.

Throw in back-to-back home games against Middlesbrough and Brighton & Hove Albion, two teams strongly fancied to do well in the Championship this season, and it is clear that the opening 10 or so days of the new season will be a huge test for Leeds United’s new head coach Dave Hockaday.

Not that he is anyway daunted by the prospect, especially after a heartening past week that has brought victories over Swindon Town and Dundee United plus, perhaps most importantly of all, a couple of encouraging performances.

“We are getting better,” said Hockaday ahead of Saturday’s opening day trip to The Den, which seems certain to be as hostile as ever when Leeds visit. “Day one, it was a horror show and day two, not so much.

“At the moment, we are looking reasonably strong. But I want us to be really strong and incredibly competitive. We will keep on endeavouring to do that until such time as we feel we are.

“I believe in these players probably more than they do at the moment. If you saw them last year, they played a certain way. Now we are saying, get it down and be brave on the ball.

“They showed some great combination play on Saturday (in the 2-0 win over Dundee United at Elland Road) and when you do that, you get the ball into the forwards from a midfield area rather than defensively. Then you can start picking your passes.

“We got (Souleymane) Doukara more involved and he was a handful. He is big, strong and getting quicker all the time. That worked really well on Saturday.”

Hockaday’s options were bolstered last night when Zan Benedicic joined on a season-long loan deal from AC Milan. The teenager, an Under-21 international with Slovenia, is yet to make a senior appearance for the Serie A side but is highly rated in Italy.

He has become the sixth signing of the summer by the Yorkshire club but more additions are required, particularly in defence where the sale of Tom Lees last week to Sheffield Wednesday has left Hockaday with just Jason Pearce and Scott Wootton.

Despite the squad looking on the thin side with just five days remaining before the new season, Hockaday believes huge strides are being made.

He added: “We have not bought in any big-name players yet – and whether that will happen or not, I don’t know.

“But I think the Leeds fans recognise what is happening, what we are trying to do and the way we are trying to do it.

“The Leeds fans are knowledgeable and know what is going on and what we have got. We have not gone and got some big-name players and are working with what we have got.

“But what we have got is not a negative. We have some good players and they are getting better and better. There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic.

“What we have to do is earn respect; nobody gives you it. All of the players must show their qualities, be brave on the ball and impose their personality on the game. If we do that, the fans will have you.

“If you make a mistake and it is an honest mistake and you try and run back and tackle, then any fans will support you.

“I see that attitude in training all the time. If a team has not got the ball, they have got to work damn hard to get the ball back.

“We have come a long way, but have a long way to go and are by no means the finished article. We have a lot of work to do, but that is what we are here for.

“This is a team game. Every game, we play as a team and work as a team. We are going to get better with our decision-making and passing.

“But if we go out and put in an honest shift every game, we will be hard to play against. With the quality I also believe the players have and if we get better and keep improving, then we might just surprise a few people.

“I believe that the players have got more quality than even they believe and we are getting better and better.

“There is loads still to work on, but we will put in an honest shift and showed that as a team in tracking back and working hard and tackling on Saturday.

“All the essentials that a good team needs.

“Given that we didn’t have any friendlies when I came, I have got to be happy to a degree. It could have been better if we had got at least one more game in to give us that little bit more edge, but I have got to be pleased.

“Everybody out there has put a claim in for the shirt. I write the team names down, but I don’t actually ‘pick’ the team because their form in training, as well as in games, does.

“I think people have to appreciate that just as someone might have had a great game on Saturday, they may look really flat and be carrying something in the week and then that is not good enough. You cannot just switch it on and off.

“We will have a look in the week and go as strong as we can for Millwall.”



Dette er for meg hva fotball dreier seg om. Kanskje får vi tilbake The Good Old Leeds!   

[Jon R]

The Hock gir noen svar her:

I believe in players more than they do – Hockaday

Leeds United's head coach David Hockaday gives instructions to his players during a break in play against Dundee United.
Published on the
05 August
2014
06:32

Print this
2 comments
Have your say!

AS baptisms of fire go, a trip to Millwall has to be right up there.

Throw in back-to-back home games against Middlesbrough and Brighton & Hove Albion, two teams strongly fancied to do well in the Championship this season, and it is clear that the opening 10 or so days of the new season will be a huge test for Leeds United’s new head coach Dave Hockaday.

Not that he is anyway daunted by the prospect, especially after a heartening past week that has brought victories over Swindon Town and Dundee United plus, perhaps most importantly of all, a couple of encouraging performances.

“We are getting better,” said Hockaday ahead of Saturday’s opening day trip to The Den, which seems certain to be as hostile as ever when Leeds visit. “Day one, it was a horror show and day two, not so much.

“At the moment, we are looking reasonably strong. But I want us to be really strong and incredibly competitive. We will keep on endeavouring to do that until such time as we feel we are.

“I believe in these players probably more than they do at the moment. If you saw them last year, they played a certain way. Now we are saying, get it down and be brave on the ball.

“They showed some great combination play on Saturday (in the 2-0 win over Dundee United at Elland Road) and when you do that, you get the ball into the forwards from a midfield area rather than defensively. Then you can start picking your passes.

“We got (Souleymane) Doukara more involved and he was a handful. He is big, strong and getting quicker all the time. That worked really well on Saturday.”

Hockaday’s options were bolstered last night when Zan Benedicic joined on a season-long loan deal from AC Milan. The teenager, an Under-21 international with Slovenia, is yet to make a senior appearance for the Serie A side but is highly rated in Italy.

He has become the sixth signing of the summer by the Yorkshire club but more additions are required, particularly in defence where the sale of Tom Lees last week to Sheffield Wednesday has left Hockaday with just Jason Pearce and Scott Wootton.

Despite the squad looking on the thin side with just five days remaining before the new season, Hockaday believes huge strides are being made.

He added: “We have not bought in any big-name players yet – and whether that will happen or not, I don’t know.

“But I think the Leeds fans recognise what is happening, what we are trying to do and the way we are trying to do it.

“The Leeds fans are knowledgeable and know what is going on and what we have got. We have not gone and got some big-name players and are working with what we have got.

“But what we have got is not a negative. We have some good players and they are getting better and better. There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic.

“What we have to do is earn respect; nobody gives you it. All of the players must show their qualities, be brave on the ball and impose their personality on the game. If we do that, the fans will have you.

“If you make a mistake and it is an honest mistake and you try and run back and tackle, then any fans will support you.

“I see that attitude in training all the time. If a team has not got the ball, they have got to work damn hard to get the ball back.

“We have come a long way, but have a long way to go and are by no means the finished article. We have a lot of work to do, but that is what we are here for.

“This is a team game. Every game, we play as a team and work as a team. We are going to get better with our decision-making and passing.

“But if we go out and put in an honest shift every game, we will be hard to play against. With the quality I also believe the players have and if we get better and keep improving, then we might just surprise a few people.

“I believe that the players have got more quality than even they believe and we are getting better and better.

“There is loads still to work on, but we will put in an honest shift and showed that as a team in tracking back and working hard and tackling on Saturday.

“All the essentials that a good team needs.

“Given that we didn’t have any friendlies when I came, I have got to be happy to a degree. It could have been better if we had got at least one more game in to give us that little bit more edge, but I have got to be pleased.

“Everybody out there has put a claim in for the shirt. I write the team names down, but I don’t actually ‘pick’ the team because their form in training, as well as in games, does.

“I think people have to appreciate that just as someone might have had a great game on Saturday, they may look really flat and be carrying something in the week and then that is not good enough. You cannot just switch it on and off.

“We will have a look in the week and go as strong as we can for Millwall.”



Dette er for meg hva fotball dreier seg om. Kanskje får vi tilbake The Good Old Leeds!  

Veldig flott intervju. Klarer han å implementer dette tankegodset i spillerne tror jeg han vil lykkes, gitt tid og tålmodighet av presidenten. 

[AndyMathie]

Jeg har merket meg at jeg begynner å digge Hockaday også. Håper min positive innstilling er berettiget og at vi får mye glede denne sesongen. Har stor tro på topp 2 plassering og at vi igjen kan klikke i vinkel av glede når sesongen er over og vi kan ta tidenes fæst etter at opprykket er klart. MOT for faen!!!

[Asbjørn]

...det høres ikke ut som han er spesielt opphengt i spillemåte (eller han ikke vil snakke om det i media):


Hockaday has used the pre-season programme to experiment with formations and used a diamond formation in midfield in last Saturday's 2-0 win over Dundee United.

On the subject of tactics, Hockaday said: "I want to be flexible, so we'll change our shape depending on the opponents. The game is very simple though, and people get too hung up on systems. If we haven't got the ball, no matter what our team selection is, I want us to get it back as quickly as possible, and get it as high up the field as quickly as we can.

"When we've got the ball, I want us to pass forward as early and as safely as possible and put the ball in the back of the net as many times as we can. It isn't rocket science! So whatever system you play, good players know when to press, when to drop, when to go wide, when to go back, when to go forward etc etc, so what I will guarantee is that, whatever formation we go with, the players pulling on the white shirt will all give 100% for Leeds United Football Club."

http://www.footypal.com/MyTeam/Leeds.php?team=Leeds&link=footypal/leeds-united/9410223/Sky-Bet-Championship-Dave-Hockaday-refusing-to-set-promotion-aim-for-Leeds&title=Sky%20Bet%20Championship:%20Dave%20Hockaday%20refusing%20to%20set%20promotion%20aim%20for%20Leeds&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Runar]

...det høres ikke ut som han er spesielt opphengt i spillemåte (eller han ikke vil snakke om det i media):


Hockaday has used the pre-season programme to experiment with formations and used a diamond formation in midfield in last Saturday's 2-0 win over Dundee United.

On the subject of tactics, Hockaday said: "I want to be flexible, so we'll change our shape depending on the opponents. The game is very simple though, and people get too hung up on systems. If we haven't got the ball, no matter what our team selection is, I want us to get it back as quickly as possible, and get it as high up the field as quickly as we can.

"When we've got the ball, I want us to pass forward as early and as safely as possible and put the ball in the back of the net as many times as we can. It isn't rocket science! So whatever system you play, good players know when to press, when to drop, when to go wide, when to go back, when to go forward etc etc, so what I will guarantee is that, whatever formation we go with, the players pulling on the white shirt will all give 100% for Leeds United Football Club."

http://www.footypal.com/MyTeam/Leeds.php?team=Leeds&link=footypal/leeds-united/9410223/Sky-Bet-Championship-Dave-Hockaday-refusing-to-set-promotion-aim-for-Leeds&title=Sky%20Bet%20Championship:%20Dave%20Hockaday%20refusing%20to%20set%20promotion%20aim%20for%20Leeds&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Håpløs artikkel, vi spilte ikke diamant mot Dundee. Vi spilte 4-3-3/4-5-1

[Jon R]

"When we've got the ball, I want us to pass forward as early and as safely as possible and put the ball in the back of the net as many times as we can."

He-he. Svært opplysende dette! 

[Promotion 2010]

Litt mer om The Hocks tanker i YEP før Brighton-kampen:

But if the high-octane energy continues from Saturday, Hockaday is hopeful things will take care of themselves positively for Leeds.

Statistics in that respect in 2014-15 have provided him with succour, manifested in the likes of summer signing Tomasso Bianchi, a ball-playing midfielder primarily brought in for his creativity, but with a work ethic to match, if the early signs are anything to go by.

Hockaday said: “Physically and mentally, we are in a good place at the moment and need to make sure that continues.

“We have had three games and have worked very hard. We have figures that show us we are running more and harder, at a higher intensity, than any previous game last season.

“The fitness levels are there, but it’s ok being fit, but it’s how you use your fitness.

“If you see the stats on the (Boro) game, Tomasso Bianchi ran more and did more high-intensity runs than anybody.

“He’s a player that you don’t sometimes recognise what he does until he’s not there and then you think: ‘oh, we’re missing that.’ He put in a really unselfish shift and I thought the whole team were superb, to a man, with their effort. Their teamwork ethic was super.

“But the hard reality is that games come thick and fast in the Championship with the cup games as well. Saturday was a good feeling, but it has to be tempered and we must be humble in what we do because we have tough opponents on Tuesday.

“I believe in my players. They are putting in a shift and working incredibly hard. If they work as hard or even harder than they did against Middlesbrough, Accrington and Millwall to a degree, it will take a good team to beat us.”



Her er det et lite svar til Kato om "fitnes": Det handler ikke om AT du løper, men HVORDAN du løper!

Bra!   

[GeirO]

Mot Millwall: Meget dårlig spill
Mot Accrington Stanley: Akseptabelt med tanke på motstanden, men grusom siste halvdel av andreomgangen.
Mot Boro: Dårlig spill hele kampen (alle er ikke enige her).
Mot Brighton: Kritisk dårlig

Hvorfor?
A) Halve laget nytt, trenger mange uker for å få til samspill
B) For dårlige spillere
C) For dårlig spillesystem

Personlig tror jeg svaret er A) 60%, B) 20% C) 20%. Tror A og C henger mye sammen og det handler om manglende samhandling og drille inn et system som sitter.

[Leedsfan]

Ser at flere er kritiske til at vi signerer/er linket offensive midtbanespillere, og ikke typiske vinger. Jeg har også vært frustrert over at vi ikke henter typiske vinger med fart og gjennombruddskraft.

Jeg er også enig med Hockaday at man trenger ikke vinger for å skape bredde. Se på Shitty, de spiller med tre offensive midtbanespillere og en spiss (Nasri, Jovetic og Silva). Det de er avhengige av da er backer med offensive kvaliteter som løper opp og ned på siden hele kampen. Dette er noe jeg trodde Byram kunne gjøre og Taylor (Warnock i mindre grad).

Det ser ut til at vi prøver å hente spillere som kan spille i en formasjon som de beste lagene, men vi har jo ikke de beste spillerne og da blir vel resultatet så som så.

Jeg skulle ønske at vi kunne spille 4-2-3-1 eller 4-3-3, den diamanten funker dessverre ikke. Når vi spiller diamant så blir backene våre i undertall hele tiden og de tør jo ikke være offensive. Dette må Hockaday se/gjøre noe med.

[Cannavaro]

I starten på en sesong er det viktig å få til en defensiv struktur, som gir en trygghet i laget, samt ballvinnere som kjapt kan sette igang overganger.
D.v.s klareringer, og brudd i motstanders spill, som går direkte til medspiller.  Denne tryggheten og offensive kraften i det defensive spillet har ikke vi funnet enda.....
Jeg har sett gjennom baklengs mot Brighton og Watford, og her er det noe som går igjen ; -press på ballfører innenfor egen 16-meter er altfor dårlig, nesten graverende dårlig til tider. - Midstopperne setter linja feil, og her kan jo også keeper ta del i ansvaret for at dette skal funke.  Hvordan kommunikasjonen er utpå der er vanskelig for meg å vite..... -to mål inn på frispark gjennom mur (elementært).  Mot Brighton fikk vi nesten mål imot på overgang (hvor vi var skrekkelige ifjor).  Det var tellefeil i første målet mot Watford, det var 9 hvite bak ball, mot 6 Watford-spillere.
Jeg hadde tatt kraftig tak i forsvarsfireren, drillet og drillet. Gjerne et par økter om dagen (gjerne ekstra) for at den skal funke.  Kommunikasjon, bevegelse i presset på ballfører (1.forsvarer og sikrer) og aggressivitet/balanse må øves og terpes.  Vi må sette en bakre firer som resten av laget også har tillitt til, og som viser at de kan løse arbeidsoppgavene sine.
I midtbanesektoren innbiller jeg meg at det er for mye balltap, og at vi taper dueller oftere enn motstander.  Ligger vi for langt unna deres indreløpere, så får de alltid tid til å bli rettvendt og true vårt bakrom med hurtig igangsetting eller langpasninger i vårt bakrom.  Det er en stressfaktor, våre midtbanefolk må bli bedre til hurtig forflytning og omstilling i spillet.  Fremover mangler vi mer kreativitet, spillere som kan skape overtall på egenhånd, og true rom.  Sharp er en box-player og da trenger han riktig foring fra kantene eller sentralt i midtsonen.
Offensive backer er noe alle liker, vi har ikke sett så mye av det hittil fordi vi ikke klarer å ha nok ballinnehav i de situasjonene hvor offensive overganger tilsier det.  Alt er sikkert ikke bekmørkt, men jeg hadde drillet forsvarsfirer på trening i stor grad.  Offensivt ; med omstilling fra forsvarer til angriper må det også rettes inn en filosofi om hvordan vi skal spille.  Posession-fotball som Hock er fan av, klarer vi foreløpig ikke å gjennomføre.
Vi må jaggu håpe på bedring etterhvert, det er mye å ta tak i !

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I starten på en sesong er det viktig å få til en defensiv struktur, som gir en trygghet i laget, samt ballvinnere som kjapt kan sette igang overganger.
D.v.s klareringer, og brudd i motstanders spill, som går direkte til medspiller.  Denne tryggheten og offensive kraften i det defensive spillet har ikke vi funnet enda.....
Jeg har sett gjennom baklengs mot Brighton og Watford, og her er det noe som går igjen ; -press på ballfører innenfor egen 16-meter er altfor dårlig, nesten graverende dårlig til tider. - Midstopperne setter linja feil, og her kan jo også keeper ta del i ansvaret for at dette skal funke.  Hvordan kommunikasjonen er utpå der er vanskelig for meg å vite..... -to mål inn på frispark gjennom mur (elementært).  Mot Brighton fikk vi nesten mål imot på overgang (hvor vi var skrekkelige ifjor).  Det var tellefeil i første målet mot Watford, det var 9 hvite bak ball, mot 6 Watford-spillere.
Jeg hadde tatt kraftig tak i forsvarsfireren, drillet og drillet. Gjerne et par økter om dagen (gjerne ekstra) for at den skal funke.  Kommunikasjon, bevegelse i presset på ballfører (1.forsvarer og sikrer) og aggressivitet/balanse må øves og terpes.  Vi må sette en bakre firer som resten av laget også har tillitt til, og som viser at de kan løse arbeidsoppgavene sine.
I midtbanesektoren innbiller jeg meg at det er for mye balltap, og at vi taper dueller oftere enn motstander.  Ligger vi for langt unna deres indreløpere, så får de alltid tid til å bli rettvendt og true vårt bakrom med hurtig igangsetting eller langpasninger i vårt bakrom.  Det er en stressfaktor, våre midtbanefolk må bli bedre til hurtig forflytning og omstilling i spillet.  Fremover mangler vi mer kreativitet, spillere som kan skape overtall på egenhånd, og true rom.  Sharp er en box-player og da trenger han riktig foring fra kantene eller sentralt i midtsonen.
Offensive backer er noe alle liker, vi har ikke sett så mye av det hittil fordi vi ikke klarer å ha nok ballinnehav i de situasjonene hvor offensive overganger tilsier det.  Alt er sikkert ikke bekmørkt, men jeg hadde drillet forsvarsfirer på trening i stor grad.  Offensivt ; med omstilling fra forsvarer til angriper må det også rettes inn en filosofi om hvordan vi skal spille.  Posession-fotball som Hock er fan av, klarer vi foreløpig ikke å gjennomføre.
Vi må jaggu håpe på bedring etterhvert, det er mye å ta tak i !

Possession går ikke i Championship!


Hørte jeg PULIS?   

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I starten på en sesong er det viktig å få til en defensiv struktur, som gir en trygghet i laget, samt ballvinnere som kjapt kan sette igang overganger.
D.v.s klareringer, og brudd i motstanders spill, som går direkte til medspiller.  Denne tryggheten og offensive kraften i det defensive spillet har ikke vi funnet enda.....
Jeg har sett gjennom baklengs mot Brighton og Watford, og her er det noe som går igjen ; -press på ballfører innenfor egen 16-meter er altfor dårlig, nesten graverende dårlig til tider. - Midstopperne setter linja feil, og her kan jo også keeper ta del i ansvaret for at dette skal funke.  Hvordan kommunikasjonen er utpå der er vanskelig for meg å vite..... -to mål inn på frispark gjennom mur (elementært).  Mot Brighton fikk vi nesten mål imot på overgang (hvor vi var skrekkelige ifjor).  Det var tellefeil i første målet mot Watford, det var 9 hvite bak ball, mot 6 Watford-spillere.
Jeg hadde tatt kraftig tak i forsvarsfireren, drillet og drillet. Gjerne et par økter om dagen (gjerne ekstra) for at den skal funke.  Kommunikasjon, bevegelse i presset på ballfører (1.forsvarer og sikrer) og aggressivitet/balanse må øves og terpes.  Vi må sette en bakre firer som resten av laget også har tillitt til, og som viser at de kan løse arbeidsoppgavene sine.
I midtbanesektoren innbiller jeg meg at det er for mye balltap, og at vi taper dueller oftere enn motstander.  Ligger vi for langt unna deres indreløpere, så får de alltid tid til å bli rettvendt og true vårt bakrom med hurtig igangsetting eller langpasninger i vårt bakrom.  Det er en stressfaktor, våre midtbanefolk må bli bedre til hurtig forflytning og omstilling i spillet.  Fremover mangler vi mer kreativitet, spillere som kan skape overtall på egenhånd, og true rom.  Sharp er en box-player og da trenger han riktig foring fra kantene eller sentralt i midtsonen.
Offensive backer er noe alle liker, vi har ikke sett så mye av det hittil fordi vi ikke klarer å ha nok ballinnehav i de situasjonene hvor offensive overganger tilsier det.  Alt er sikkert ikke bekmørkt, men jeg hadde drillet forsvarsfirer på trening i stor grad.  Offensivt ; med omstilling fra forsvarer til angriper må det også rettes inn en filosofi om hvordan vi skal spille.  Posession-fotball som Hock er fan av, klarer vi foreløpig ikke å gjennomføre.
Vi må jaggu håpe på bedring etterhvert, det er mye å ta tak i !

Possession går ikke i Championship!


Hørte jeg PULIS?   

Haha! Jeg hører McAllister 

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Fra diamant til trapes:


Lucas The Kop Cat ‏@KopCat_Lucas  · 31m 
For those of you asking. This is The Kop Cat's Trapezoid of Win in its current form:

[sportcarl1]

herregud det har kommit in så mycket nya spelare att man knappt känner igen alla

[Nørgaard]

Faktisk ikke en dårlig opstilling. Sloth lige bag Sharp.

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Lorimer i dag:

But it’s still the case that we need to kick on and get this season properly started and I’d like to see us hit the ground running at St Andrews – with a new boss, a new style, new players and a new level of confidence.

 

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Håper ikke vi satser på 4-3-3 denne sesongen. For det er stallen i midtbaneleddet for tynn!



Men er klassisk 4-4-2 bra nok?

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Håper ikke vi satser på 4-3-3 denne sesongen. For det er stallen i midtbaneleddet for tynn!



Men er klassisk 4-4-2 bra nok?

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[Asbjørn]

Håper ikke vi satser på 4-3-3 denne sesongen. For det er stallen i midtbaneleddet for tynn!

Men er klassisk 4-4-2 bra nok?

...det er 4-3-3 som er håpet mitt for denne sesongen!
At vi har fått inn en trener som kan denne formasjonen, og at dette er en formasjon som gjør oss totalt sett bedre, ikke minst i forsvar (ved at flere ledd forsvarer).

Jeg har selv sett det med Brann denne sommeren, der man har fått inn Lars Arne Nilsen som ved formasjonsskifte fra 4-4-2 til 4-3-3 har fått en ikke-fungerende midtbane til å fungere. Det har blitt tettere mellom leddene, tidligere svakheter i leddet har blitt dekket over. Problemet for Nilsen har vært, midt i sesongen, å øke spillernes løpskapasitet... Der har Uwe en fordel, han bruker pre-season med dette for øye, de må være løpssterke for å få full nytte av hans spillestil.

De fleste midtbanespillerne våre er så gode fotballspillere at de kan fungere i flere spillesystemer. Det tror jeg både Cook og Mowatt mestrer. Men vi må også ha den balanserende. Der var i utgangspunktet Murphy viktig, men nå har vi også Adeyemi å bruke.

I enkeltkamper kan vi vel klare oss bra med Byram som 'fremre' høyre-spiller, og en annen som 'fremre venstre-spiller' men i lengden så trenger vi fart - og da er det jo synd at Cellino nekter oss Drury som et cover i den posisjonen. Troppen trenger den kvaliteten også, og noen vil jo ankomme som kan fylle en slik rolle...