Ny investor:
http://www.clubfanzine.com/leeds/showNews.php?id=5852
;D
Enda en superkontroversiell jævel er vel ikke akkurat det vi trenger?
Denne Shepherd diskuterte vi tidlegare i haust, då han også vart lenka til klubben. Eg forheld meg framleis roleg, men er meget skeptisk til denne forretningsmannen. Meir forhatt person i Newcastle skal ein leite lenge og godt etter!
Shepherd to take over northern club in new year
Freddy Shepherd is poised to take charge of a club with Bolton, Leeds and Derby all potential targets
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2214481,00.html
Ja, dette har vi jo diskutert før.
Bates og Shepherd er jo visstnok gode venner, hva nå enn ordet "vennskap" måtte innebære i de kretser...
For meg fremstår det som at Bates og Shephard er gode og dårlige på de samme tingene. Begge har vel rykte på seg for å ha bra teft på det økonomiske/kommersielle området. Men samtidig har deres historie vist at de begge er elendige i managerspørsmål. Og på toppen av det hele har de begge vist at de har en fabelaktig "evne" til å gjøre seg upopulær blant store deler av fansen.
Nei, jeg vil helst ha inn en annen mann enn Shepherd!
Er det virkelig for mye forlangt å ønske seg en eier/leder som har greie på økonomistyring, og som samtidig har en viss teft når det gjelder ansettelse av managere, samt evne til å behandle fansen med litt respekt..?
Og så var vi i gang igjen. Jeg som har hatt det så ok nå som vi har konset på fotball :(
rykten rykten rykten, hur många har man inte hör säga vara intresserade av att köpa leeds, Bates gjorde det iaf, shephard tror jag inte alls på
Nei takk, har ikke trua på at denne karen er noe bedre enn Bates.
Quote from: Mr Kaizer on November 21, 2007, 16:48:49
Enda en superkontroversiell jævel er vel ikke akkurat det vi trenger?
Jævel? Sheperd betyr vel noe sånt som hyrde (gjeter), gjør det ikke ;D!
Quote from: fmtj on November 22, 2007, 13:10:30
Quote from: Mr Kaizer on November 21, 2007, 16:48:49
Enda en superkontroversiell jævel er vel ikke akkurat det vi trenger?
Jævel? Sheperd betyr vel noe sånt som hyrde (gjeter), gjør det ikke ;D!
Ah, så han er en frelser? ;)
Quote from: Budda on November 22, 2007, 12:36:07
Nei takk, har ikke trua på at denne karen er noe bedre enn Bates.
Han kommer vel i TILLEGG til Bates i så fall...
Quote from: Promotion 2010 on November 22, 2007, 14:35:07
Quote from: Budda on November 22, 2007, 12:36:07
Nei takk, har ikke trua på at denne karen er noe bedre enn Bates.
Han kommer vel i TILLEGG til Bates i så fall...
Ja. Og for dem som mener at klubben trenger en Bates-dobbeltdose, så må jo disse ryktene være oppløftende lesning! ::)
Former Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd is stepping up his interest in buying Leeds. (Sunday Mirror)
Quote from: kjelvi on November 25, 2007, 12:33:40
Former Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd is stepping up his interest in buying Leeds. (Sunday Mirror)
How????????????
er ikke tanken at han skal putte penger inn i første omgang da? Det fins vel en "sell-clause" som Bates er bundet av frem til sommeren 2008 slik jeg har forstått! Men uansett hvis Shepherd har penger å putte inn så bare vis oss dem og kom med dem! Vi trenger nok noen grunker etterhvert. :)
Ja til penger!
Nye rykter om Shepherd. Denne gang at planen er å kjøpe opp 1\3 av Leeds.
http://www.leedsutd-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=365210
Quote from: Mr Kaizer on November 30, 2007, 09:10:42
Nye rykter om Shepherd. Denne gang at planen er å kjøpe opp 1\3 av Leeds.
YP har også saken. Alt tyder på at dette er 'fast fisk'.
Exclusive: Freddy Shepherd to buy a third of Leeds United
Exclusive: Shepherd in line for Leeds United shareFREDDY SHEPHERD wants to buy a one third share in Leeds United, the Yorkshire Post can reveal.
The former Newcastle United chairman is understood to have been in talks with the Elland Road hierarchy for a couple of months over acquiring a minority shareholding.
It is by no means a done deal, however, with several other would-be investors believed to have been in touch with chairman Ken Bates since the club exited administration during the summer.
Under the Shepherd proposal, Bates would remain in control with the deal taking the form of an investment as oppose to an outright takeover. This would fit in with the 75-year-old's intention to remain as chairman.
Cash!!!!!
viss dette er tilfelle håper jeg at han kommer inn med cash før januar-vinduet åpner!
det kan bety økte midler til spillerkjøp for wise. tror vi trenger å styrke stallen litt før slutten av sesongen, og da mener jeg spiller som går direkte inn i første-11.
En tredel ja... Tipper det bare er en slu rev som øyner rask oppgang i aksjekurs. En investering med andre ord...
Leeds må jo være en av ytterst få fotballklubber i verden det går an å tjene penger på nå. Uten at jeg vet hvor mye aksjekursen ligger på.
Høres sannsynlig ut. Shepherd er jo en gammal mann med mye penger, som har vært involvert med engelske fotballklubber i hele sitt voksne liv.
Har ikke noe godt inntrykk av fyren, men oppfatter at han kun går inn som investor i klubben - og ikke vil få noen direkte påvirkning på driften av klubben iform av deltakelse i noe styre e.l.
Penger inn er bra, og det hadde jo svært interessant å vite hva 1/3 av Leeds United faktisk betyr i rene penger. Hva er klubben vår verdt nå? 30 mill pund?
Om Shepherd går inn som investor kan dette bety flere ting:
- Bates har langsiktige planer med Leeds, og kommer til å sitte som chairman i flere år framover?
- Shepherd sikter mot å ta over hele klubben, når Bates engang selger seg ut?
- Det blir vanskeligere for andre store investorer (a la Wilkinson) å komme inn og kjøpe hele klubben?
Jo, men disse pengene går jo ikke til Leeds.
Dette kan vri og vendes i teorien!
Shepherd går aldri i verden inn i Leeds kun for shits and giggles - enten ønsker han å tjene store penger på klubben eller han ønsker styringen. Ken Bates og Freddy Shepherd er begge folk som ønsker å sitte i styringa, men akkurat når det gjelder denne saken er jeg ikke redd for at de to slue revene vil gå i tottene på hverandre.
Uansett om Shepherd kun ønsker del i en investering som nok betaler for seg over de neste årene, eller om han sikter til å kjøpe opp majoriteten i løpet av kort tid, så tror jeg neppe det vil bli internproblemer med det første. Bates kunngjør nok at han - i det minste foreløpig - er diktator i klubben og at det kun er Shepherds penger som er velkomne. Om det da betyr at Bates ønsker å selge ut i fremtiden, vil kun tiden vise. Penger er alltid gode nyheter og det vil nok gjøre at Wise kan hente kvalitet i januar.
Må derimot sies at jeg er skeptisk til personen Freddy Shepherd...
Quote from: ToreLA on November 30, 2007, 10:34:46
Jo, men disse pengene går jo ikke til Leeds.
Hva mener du?
Shepherd legger X antall millioner på bordet for å kjøpe en 1/3 eierandel i Leeds United. Pengene går til de som idag eier denne tredjedelen - dvs Bates&co. Mulig Bates bruker disse millionene på å bygge ut vinkjelleren sin i Monaco, men det er naturlig å tro at noe av disse pengene går til å nedbetale klubbens gjeld, styrke Wise sin pott til spillerlønninger/spillerkjøp - kanskje sogar også til å kjøpe tilbake ER/TA.
Leeds er ikke noe børsnotert aksjeselskap....
Jojo, mulig det, men ja, jeg mente akkurat det. Pengene går jo ikke naturlig inn i driften av Leeds.
Shepherd takeover out of the question say Leeds United
(http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/web/Upload/LEED//TH1_3011200741freddy%20shepherd.jpg)
Freddy Shepherd will not be given the option of buying Leeds United after the club insisted a takeover was out of the question.
Shepherd, the former Newcastle United chairman, is keen to invest in Leeds after leaving his post at St James' Park earlier this year, but United will not entertain any offers for a controlling stake at Elland Road.
Leeds moved to clarify their position today amid growing expectation that Shepherd will step forward with an investment proposal early next year.
Shepherd pulled in around £37million by selling his shares in Newcastle to current owner Mike Ashley, and he recently confirmed that he was ready to resume his involvement with professional football, describing the sport as "a powerful drug".
He and his son Kenneth are understood to have met with Bates in Monaco last week, and Shepherd has been considering his options ever since the possibility of investment was first raised over dinner with Bates on Tyneside in September.
Leeds are a private company and their entire shareholding was acquired by Forward Sports Fund - the Swiss-based firm through which Bates took control of Leeds in 2005 - following their exit from administration in August.
Bates intends to retain at least 51 per cent of the club's shares, providing him with a controlling interest, but he has been seeking serious investment ever since his arrival at Elland Road, and the recent discussions between the 75-year-old and Shepherd suggest a deal is increasingly likely.
Shepherd would look to acquire at least a 25 per cent stake to make his investment worthwhile, but would not be allowed to take his holding beyond the 49 per cent. United reiterated today that Bates has no intention of cutting his ties at Elland Road in the foreseeable future.
Any attempt to sell the club would be complicated in any case by the terms of the deal which took Leeds out of administration earlier in the year.
United agreed to an 'anti-embarrassment clause' which stated that, in the event of a sale, 50 per cent of a takeover fee above £5million would be shared among the club's creditors. The clause expires next summer and realistically rules out the possibility of a sale until the end of this season at the earliest.
Bates is continuing to pursue ambitious plans to develop the area surrounding Elland Road, as he did with Stamford Bridge during his time as Chelsea chairman, and he would place a high price on the debt-free club. It is understood that a 25 per cent stake could cost Shepherd as much as £10million.
But despite their meetings, sources at Elland Road claimed that an agreement between Bates and Shepherd was "a long way" from being finalised, and Shepherd has almost certainly been made aware of Bates' stance over the division of United's shares.
The former Newcastle chief could yet be drawn to another English club, and he has been linked with Sheffield Wednesday this week. Shepherd is also understood to have considered a bid for Ipswich Town, but his interest in Leeds is serious.
United chief executive Shaun Harvey said: "We've previously stated that investment would be welcomed. A takeover is not an option."
YEP
Quote from: kjelvi on November 30, 2007, 11:50:23
[..It is understood that a 25 per cent stake could cost Shepherd as much as £10million.
...
YEP spekulerer altså i at klubben pr idag er verdt
40 mill pund !.
Om Bates beholder en kontrollerende eierandel på 51%, betyr det at det - i teorien - skal være mulig å hente inn friske penger i form av 20 mill pund.
Verdivurderingen kalkulerer antakeligvis inn at klubben vil befinne seg 1 divisjon høyere neste år.
Quote from: midjo on November 30, 2007, 11:58:43
Quote from: kjelvi on November 30, 2007, 11:50:23
[..It is understood that a 25 per cent stake could cost Shepherd as much as £10million.
...
YEP spekulerer altså i at klubben pr idag er verdt 40 mill pund !.
Om Bates beholder en kontrollerende eierandel på 51%, betyr det at det - i teorien - skal være mulig å hente inn friske penger i form av 20 mill pund.
Verdivurderingen kalkulerer antakeligvis inn at klubben vil befinne seg 1 divisjon høyere neste år.
40 millioner....
En latterlig vurdering, hvis vi tenker på at det eneste som er av verdi er butikken - i lånte lokaler - og spillerne, som neppe lager kaos på spillermarkedet om de ble lagt ut for salg.
Vi eier verken bane eller treningsfelt.....40 millioner?? Hva er det for?? En potensiell PL-klubb?? Ingen har krav på en plass i toppserien. Se på Nottm F som eier både bane og tribuner...ville de gått for 40 millioner pund????????????
Det er lett å skrike av "verdisettingen" på £40 millioner (selv om en verdi aldri er mer enn det markedet vil gi for den). I utgangspunktet ville en klubb som Leeds i nåværende posisjon og form kunne verdsettes til mellom £10 og £20 millioner.
Hull, i divisjonen over, ble solgt for i overkant av £10 mill, med en moderne (men ikke så stor) stadion de ikke eier selv.
Men så må man tenke på hva som faktisk ligger til grunn for at Bates evt krever en slik sum for "sitt Leeds".
For det første er det dette med tapene han og hans allierte har hatt på klubben gjennom snart tre år som eier/re-eier. Jeg vil anta at dette ligger på mellom £25-30 millioner. Uansett hva klubben er "verdt" rent objektivt, er det for Bates og co slike sumer som er viktige. I tillegg vil de kanskje ha litt profitt for å ha drevet denne klubben, og uansett virkemiddel: tømt den for skjelletter og gjort den levende igjen rent økonomisk.
I tillegg kan det, og se ikke bort i fra dette, være slik at en investering på f.eks ti millioner går til "tiltak" som faktisk hever klubbens verdi ytterligere. Da tenker jeg først og fremst på tilbakekjøp av Elland Road. Dersom dette er en del av "pakka" Shepherd (eller andre) går in på, snakker vi fort om en mer forståelig pris (det koster mellom 18-20 mill pund å kjøpe tilbake både TA og ER).
Vi står uansett tilbake med hovedpoenget om at prisen og verdien for klubben til enhver tid vil være det høystbydende i markedet vil og kan betale for den (eller deler av den).
SA
Har sagt det før og sier det igjen. Alle kjøpsspekulasjonene de siste årene gjør meg matt :-[
Det spørs vel korleis dette vert gjort.
Er ikkje økonom sjølv, men er det ikkje noko som heiter "retta emisjon"? Då vil avtalt pris for 1/3 av aksjene gå direkte til Leeds. Meiner eg...
Eller om Sheperd kjøper aksjer direkte av Mr.Bates, då går pengene til Kenneth sin konto.
Quote from: midjo on November 30, 2007, 10:53:10
Quote from: ToreLA on November 30, 2007, 10:34:46
Jo, men disse pengene går jo ikke til Leeds.
Hva mener du?
Shepherd legger X antall millioner på bordet for å kjøpe en 1/3 eierandel i Leeds United. Pengene går til de som idag eier denne tredjedelen - dvs Bates&co. Mulig Bates bruker disse millionene på å bygge ut vinkjelleren sin i Monaco, men det er naturlig å tro at noe av disse pengene går til å nedbetale klubbens gjeld, styrke Wise sin pott til spillerlønninger/spillerkjøp - kanskje sogar også til å kjøpe tilbake ER/TA.
Leeds er ikke noe børsnotert aksjeselskap....
Om Shepard går inn og disse pengene går til tilbakekjøp av TA/ER, er dette bra. Wise må gjerne få en mill eller to til spillerkjøp og. 8)
Bates selger ikke Leeds med det første så alt i alt er kanskje dette ikke så dumt for Leeds på nåværende tidspunkt.
Disse to herremennene selger om det rette tilbudet kommer på bordet.
'I put in 70 hours a week and, quite honestly, Chelsea could not pay me what I am worth.'
ANYONE easily offended should stay well away from Elland Road if Freddy Shepherd succeeds in his bid to buy a one-third share of Leeds United.
Ken Bates and Shepherd in the same boardroom? A union of two of the most outspoken men in football, men for whom delicacy and tact are low on the list of priorities?
Those of a nervous disposition will shudder at the notion, but life would certainly not be tedious.
When at Newcastle, Shepherd said 'no individual is bigger than the club, be it the chairman, the manager or a player'. Yet both he and Bates are approaching household-name status. The chairmen of Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool are largely anonymous figures.
At most clubs in most sports, chairmen tend to stay out of the limelight. When they do speak, they make guardedly bland pronouncements about developments off the pitch. They rarely discuss the performance of the team or individuals in it.
For Bates and Shepherd, there are no such restrictions. If they have an opinion, they express it, and usually in an entertaining fashion â€" both are blessed with a delightful turn of phrase.
When Newcastle's Charles N'Zogbia walked away from a match after being left on the bench last season, Shepherd announced that the Frenchman 'needed his backside smacked'.
After resigning from the board of Wembley stadium Bates, whose programme notes are required reading, said: "Even Jesus Christ only had one Pontius Pilate â€" I had a whole team of them."
Both are larger-than-life characters, and both revel in the attention they can command through their positions in football.
But there are key differences.
Shepherd has more charm; Bates, terrifically entertaining company when he wants to be, is more rude but also more shrewd. Shepherd wants to be liked, particularly by supporters and players. At Newcastle, he was always at pains to point out his credentials as a genuine fan.
Bates, by contrast, was never a fan of Chelsea or Leeds, and never pretended to curry favour on the terraces. He cares little about what people think of him, and there is something refreshing about someone who does not set out to be liked.
Bates is rich enough, old enough and thick-skinned enough to say what he wants, and damn the consequences. He is happy to upset fans and players and coaches, if needs be â€" he is happy to upset pretty much anyone.
When he causes offence, he does not do so inadvertently. He does it deliberately, perhaps even calculatingly.
Shepherd's most infamous comments have been made 'off the record'. He was the victim of a tabloid sting a few years ago, when he was notoriously unbecoming about the good ladies of Newcastle (describing them as 'dogs') and referred to Geordie hero Alan Shearer, regarded as almost untouchable, as 'Mary Poppins'.
Only this year, while chatting to a pair of Liverpool fans â€" who were secretly filming the conversation on mobile phones â€" he said the Reds could have Michael Owen back and offered to drive the injury-hit England striker back to Anfield himself.
The episode appeared on YouTube, causing considerable embarrassment to Newcastle, to Owen and to Shepherd. To people in the North East, it was a classic Shepherd gaffe.
In a similar position, Bates probably would have hold the visiting fans to 'eff off', rather than discussing anything with them - although he was caught out when some mildly disparaging comments about the Leeds player were recorded.
Generally, though, he is careful. Nothing he has said is likely to come back to haunt him. He chooses his targets wisely. If Shepherd does become involved with Leeds, he may regret his comments of a couple of years ago, when he said the following about clubs outside the Premier League:
"Many of these other clubs will have to go part-time. When we (Newcastle) have got 52,000 fans at each home game, the last thing we are worried about is clubs in the third division. There is no sympathy here."
These days, the trend is for top football clubs to have directors who would not look out of place at the head of an FTSE 100 company â€" diplomatic, sensible types, with formal educations and middle-class accents.
Bates and Shepherd, though, are businessmen of the old school. Shepherd, in particular, has been described as 'unreconstructed'. To them, involvement with a football club is a platform as much as an opportunity to make money.
The pair are known to have lunch together and if the deal goes through, Shepherd will not wish to slip quietly into the background. He and Bates could egg each other on to be even ore outrageous. And imagine if they were to fall out: to anyone unconnected with Leeds United, the spectacle would be unmissable.
The world according to Freddy and Ken:
"Poverty among fans is grossly exaggerated when you see what they spend elsewhere. A small minority are poor and can't afford it."
Bates on fans.
"I didn't want to be known as the man who shot Bambi."
Shepherd on sacking Sir Bobby Robson.
"Makelele? Who does he play for? I've only ever heard of his brother, Ukelele."
Bates on Chelsea midfielder Claude Makelele.
"Newcastle girls are all dogs. England is full of them."
Shepherd in the News of the World sting.
"There is no escaping the fact Chris Sutton was a disaster. His attitude wasn't right towards the end.
"He wasn't good for Chelsea."
"Take Ruud Gullit. I didn't like his arrogance. In fact, I never liked him.
"But while he was delivering the goods, there was no problem.
"When he lost the plot he had to go."
Bates on Ruud Gullit
"You should only say good things when somebody leaves. Robert has gone â€" good!"
Shepherd on the departure to French winger Laurent Robert.
"I put in 70 hours a week and quite honestly Chelsea could not pay me what I'm worth."
Bates at Chelsea
"Many of these other clubs will have to go part-time. When we have got 52,000 fans at each home game, the last thing we are worried about is clubs in the third division. There is no sympathy here.
"The big fight will be for the Premier League to take over the running of the other leagues. The others can't hold us back; the time will come, I think, when the Premier League runthe whole show.
Shepherd at a business forum.
"At first they were a shambles. Now they have descended via farce to make them a laughing stock. It has come to a pretty pass when Fifa criticise our performance."
Bates on the FA.
"I must have amnesia as I can't remember sending a text message to Mr. Eriksson. I don't even have his number so I'd love to see this message. All I can say is I'd like to wish Mr. Eriksson well with England in the summer, and good luck for whatever he chooses to do after that."
Shepherd denying reports he had approached Sven Goran Eriksson.
"Just what makes them any different from the fan who meets his mates around the corner from the ground, eats pie and chips at a local restaurant, washed down by a bottle of wine or a few pints and then walks to the ground?"
Bates on corporate hospitality clients.
YP