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« Svar #450 på: November 22, 2008, 18:07:37 »
så slipper vi altså igjen inn mål.  >:(
elendig forsvar.  >:(
skift ut gary-mac, møkkamanager, han er en fløtepus.  >:(

...hvordan var kampen egentlig? Prioriterte madagaskar 2, så det første jeg så etter var selvfølgelig om vi hadde sluppet inn mål, og det er jo bare for j....!

ser at vi innehar en fin-fin 6.plass! Kanskje vi klarer play-off? Yippi!  8)
...på 1-1 stod faktisk kampen og vippet. Vi hadde possession ja, men de kontret bra...

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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #451 på: November 22, 2008, 18:08:04 »
5 mål på to kamper får vi vel si å være bra.
ehem, 9 på to, even better  ;D

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« Svar #452 på: November 22, 2008, 18:11:06 »
så slipper vi altså igjen inn mål.  >:(
elendig forsvar.  >:(
skift ut gary-mac, møkkamanager, han er en fløtepus.  >:(

...hvordan var kampen egentlig? Prioriterte madagaskar 2, så det første jeg så etter var selvfølgelig om vi hadde sluppet inn mål, og det er jo bare for j....!

ser at vi innehar en fin-fin 6.plass! Kanskje vi klarer play-off? Yippi!  8)
...på 1-1 stod faktisk kampen og vippet. Vi hadde possession ja, men de kontret bra...



ok, får sjekke om litt hvordan stemningen var i tråden på 1-1 da, hehe.  ::)

jeg la på litt ekstra denne gangen, bare for å være helt sikker på......ya know  ;)

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« Svar #453 på: November 22, 2008, 18:14:03 »
så slipper vi altså igjen inn mål.  >:(
elendig forsvar.  >:(
skift ut gary-mac, møkkamanager, han er en fløtepus.  >:(

...hvordan var kampen egentlig? Prioriterte madagaskar 2, så det første jeg så etter var selvfølgelig om vi hadde sluppet inn mål, og det er jo bare for j....!

ser at vi innehar en fin-fin 6.plass! Kanskje vi klarer play-off? Yippi!  8)
...på 1-1 stod faktisk kampen og vippet. Vi hadde possession ja, men de kontret bra...



det var deilig å åpne web'n og lese resultatet, jeg står for det jeg har utbasunert før,
vi tar nok trepoengere til å havne på 1 eller 2.plass. Def.

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« Svar #454 på: November 22, 2008, 18:21:15 »
På 1-1 var det vel en kjempesjanse til Hartlepool. Ballen i tverrliggeren og vekk via armen til Parker. Hmmm.....

Vi vant nok fortjent!

Beckford har i de siste to kampene spilt sentral spiss (4-4-2), og ikke en som starter fra kanten som Thierry Henry. Og Beck var på hugget, ifølge Gray!

Ikke mange å klage på idag, men var visst veldig tafatte på baklengsmålet. Men når vi nå blir vant til et baklengs, så er det jo bare å innstille seg på å skåre fler enn to i hver kamp!!!
Min første Leeds-kamp:
Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

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« Svar #455 på: November 22, 2008, 19:27:41 »
1.omg. klar :)
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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #456 på: November 22, 2008, 19:43:41 »
1.omgang:
Flott angrepsspill :)
Bra bredde, bra legg, bra avslutninbger. Både Michalik og Becchio uheldige som ikke scoret.
Flotte legg fra Hughes, bl.a. på Becks første.

Defensivt:
...vi ser ett innslag av Katos kritikk, Telfer fører fremover og holder på å rote det til...
... målet, innkast, duell, Michalik mot to stk, 'ballwatching' rundt  ham, løp inn bakfra, og baklengs... :(

Men totalt sett, første omgang var 'bedre' enn jeg trodde den ville være, ut fra radioen :)

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« Svar #457 på: November 22, 2008, 19:49:26 »
Vore vekke grunna fotballturnering idag, herleg å logga seg inn og sjå resultatet!  8) No vert det ei ny rekke sigrar! Me har alt byrja...  Sovidt :)

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« Svar #458 på: November 22, 2008, 20:05:46 »
hvor ser dere kampen?

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« Svar #459 på: November 22, 2008, 20:18:26 »
huff.. becchio halta fælt på slutten der.....supre mål da. synd at ikke robbo fikk en i nettet i dag, men han orka å løpe hele kampen. imponerende
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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #460 på: November 22, 2008, 20:20:05 »
hvor ser dere kampen?


LUTV. Til sammen ca 25 minutters opptak fra kampen, allerede ute for oss 'overseas' :)

2.omg:
Fortsatt fantastisk angrepsspill
Robbo var 'sjansesløseren' i dag. Men, på den positive sida, han orket å være med helt frem... :)

Men, kampen stod & vippet til vi fikk 3-1. Inntil da kunne vi blitt straffet... På den ene siden kan man si at motstanderne for tiden må score 4-5 stk for å slå oss. Men det er bare når vi scorer først. Ellers tetter de til bak, satser på kontringer, og av og til går det bra...

Men ja, fantastisk angrepsspill i dag :)

...og i bakhånd har vi Christie

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« Svar #461 på: November 22, 2008, 21:21:56 »
Kan noen legge ut deler av kampen på hjemmesida?
D e itjnå som kjæm tå sæ sjøl!!

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« Svar #462 på: November 22, 2008, 21:32:28 »
huff.. becchio halta fælt på slutten der.....supre mål da. synd at ikke robbo fikk en i nettet i dag, men han orka å løpe hele kampen. imponerende

erre muli, holdt seg unna sigg, kjips og øll denne uka da.

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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #463 på: November 22, 2008, 22:27:53 »
Waccoe er rimelig samstemt i dag, forsvaret vårt er fortsatt woeful, midtbanen får heller ikke særlig ære (bortsett fra Delphs 2.omgang), mens spissene våre var skarpe i dag.

Redd det har noe for seg, det de sier. I lengden blir vi straffet for slikt forsvarsspill...

Forsvaret:
Lucas - 6 – Can’t really remember him making a save.
Hughes – 5 – Some good crosses, but appalling defensively.
Michalik – 6 – Some good tackles, but roughed up by Kyle too regularly.
Telfer – 5 – At fault for the goal and lacking in pace.
Parker – 6 – Another sound performance, but at times tucked in too close to Telfer, which is understandable.
...
Lucas - 6
Hughes – 6
Michalik – 7
Telfer – 4
Parker – 7
...
The effect of Michalik, Telfer, Hughes and Parker on the defence irritates me.
...
Lucas - 7

Hughes - 6
Michalik - 6
Telfer - 6
Parker - 7
...
Hughes - 7
Michalik - 6
Telfer - 6
Parker - 7
...
Lucas 6 - Come to think of it, I can't really remember seeing him.

Hughes 7 - Surprisingly good crosses when given space in the first half. 2 assists to his name.

Michalik 6 - A couple of well-timed last ditch tackles, but how someone of his size loses so many headers and physical challenges, I don't know.

Telfer 5 - Too slow, doesn't seem convinced in himself like he did in his first couple of games.

Parker 7 - Not convincing defensively, but very encouraging going forward. Some excellent crosses in the second half that weren't attacked.
...
Lucas - 8 – match winning save at 2-1
Hughes – 6 – not a RB IMO but put some v good balls in and worked v hard
Michalik – 6 – thought he did well today. saving tackle 1st half
Telfer – 5 – sick of him TBH, not good enough and never will be
Parker – 6 – did well again, got forward well. tbf delph went wandering and when robbo went out to the left he wasn't gonna get much help from him either
...
'Telfer 5 - Too slow, doesn't seem convinced in himself like he did in his first couple of games.

Parker 7 - Not convincing defensively, but very encouraging going forward. Some excellent crosses in the second half that weren't attacked.'



These two clowns make me have kittens every time the ball comes down our left.

Telfer was at fault for their goal again and I lost count of number of times Ben Parker was out of position
...

I'm glad someone else has noticed Parker's wandering. I thought I was going mad.
...
A great result and some excellent finishing. We could have scored a few more but we were lucky to only conceded one goal – they could easily have got 2 or 3.

Lucas – 6 – Despite a number of very close shaves, he didn’t really have a lot to do.

Hughes – 5 – Some very good crosses in the first half – including the first goal – but woeful defensively; more or less disappeared in the second half and if Hartlepool had been a better team he would have cost us at least 2 goals.

Michalik – 6 – Fairly solid but some wild sky-high clearances. Not yet the player he was.

Telfer – 7 – At last, someone who behaves like the captain. He was solid enough but he was occasionally put under extreme pressure by the shortcomings of Hughes and to a lesser extent Parker.

Parker – 6 – He’s developing well but he is sometimes to eager to get forward and leave us exposed at the back.
...
LUCAS: 7
HUGHES 6
PARKER 6
MICHALIK 6
TELFER 6
...
Agree with you, Parker has done ok & looks better going forward but defensively goes missing & looks vunerable. I still think the young lad White looks a more solid defender.

Telfer has completely lost his way & is getting caught out with much regularality with every game.

Although you can ask questions about all our defenders whoever plays. I noticed today both Beckford & Becchio were coming back to help the defense during the 2nd half , credit to the front two with their determination & efforts to ensure that we won the game today.

...
Ok parker does get caught out but when was the last time a midfielder was there to help him? it is Ian Harte all over again, lazy LM

Telfer is really p*ssing me off, didnt like him in the first place and cant stand him now, not the answer

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Lucas - 6 - Never really had a proper save to make
Hughes - 6 - Turned like a steam engine, Frazer back on Tuesday please, maybe if Hughes didn't warm up for 3 days he wouldn't look so shagged
Telfer - 6 - Good play, bad play, the usual story
Michalik - 6.5 - Showed he can tackle today, and the odd header, however he still runs towards the ball wherever it may be rather than holding his position
Parker - 6.5 - Similarly to Michalik he fails to often to hold his position, I'd like to Sheehan back in asap
...
Lucas: 6 - Not much to do
Hughes: 6 - Great ball for first goal, passing all over the shop
Michalik: 7 - More authoritive, but tried his best to score OG of the season
Telfer: 5 - Fast turning into the horror I feared back when first hearing his name linked with Leeds
Parker: 6 - Great runs going forward but caught out of position on numerous occasions & far too easy to get past
...
Thought Parker had a great game so did Eddie Gray, if he is bombing forward the centre back should cover, thats when he goes missing, how can he defend at the same time when hes around their 18 yard box unless he is superman ?
...
Lucas......7 Looked reasonably composed
Hughes...7 Some good deliveries, went forward well in the first half but got caught out a couple in the second. Not a RB so fair do's to the lad.
Michalik..6 Looked uncomfortable at times, particularly on the ball.
Telfer.....6 Lost out in the air and bullied at times but some good last ditch tackles may have saved us the points.
Parker....8 Superb display, good defensively and good going forward.
...

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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #464 på: November 22, 2008, 22:32:36 »
Midtbanen (ifølge waccoes observatører):
Prutton – 6 – Battled away, but passing was iffy.
Douglas – 6 – See Prutton.
Delph – 8 – MOM – Took some time to get going, but was pure class in the second half.
Robinson – 5 – Worked their keeper several times, but his effect on the defence irritates me.
...
Prutton –7
Douglas – 7
Delph – 8
Robinson – 7
...
Prutton - 7
Douglas - 6
Delph - 8
Robinson - 7
...
Prutton - 7
Douglas - 7
Delph - 8
Robinson - 7
...
Douglas 7 - Excellent in the air.

Prutton 6 - Good workrate, especially early on, but didn't stamp the authority he can do.

Robinson 7 - Again good workrate and wanted the ball for the whole 90 minutes. Classy touch to him, but nothing inventive really came off for him today.

Delph 8 - Quiet first half. Brilliant second half.
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Prutton – 7 – worked his socks off
Douglas – 6 – sloth
Delph – 7 – v good goal, looked lively. got bored on the left cos we didn't pass the ball, kept wandering
Robinson – 6 – we're not getting our monies worth from this lad. should be sent away to a fitness club, come back when you can run for 90mins u fat bast*rd
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Delph – 8 – Slow to start but eventually got on to his excellent form.

Prutton – 7 – His best game this season. Good to see him coming back into contention.

Douglas – 6 – Quieter that usual and again seems to be coming to the attention of referees. Does he need a rest?

Robinson – 5 – Some brilliant flashes but some bad blunders. I’m beginning to think that he is best used as an impact player – his best performances seem to occur when he comes on as a substitute.
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PRUTTON: 7
DOUGLAS 7
DELPH 8
ROBBO 7
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Prutton - 7.5 - Glad to see him show why he's worthy of a start when he plays to his best, worked his balls off, showed why Kilkenny isn't required 'cos Prutts can pass and TACKLE
Douglas - 7 - Typical Dougie, puts his head and his boot in, not the best passer but breaks up their plays
Delph - 7.5- Slow starter but came into his own in the second, never looked like giving it away
Robinson - 7 - Great work rate today, comes under fire for it sometimes but anybody who saw the game can't deny the amount of times he worked it up and down the pitch, got into some great positions too
...
Robinson: 6 - Got better as game went on, but % of successful balls is worrying and doesn't have that burst of pace we often need
Prutton: 7 - Busy, got stuck in, justified his inclusion IMO
Douglas: 6 - Irritating how he doesn't stick with a man at set plays, didn't add a great deal coming forward
Delph: 8 - Great bursts of acceleration, superb work-rate and deserved goal
...


i completely agree with you about robbo, he seems to do a lot better when he comes off the bench for last half hour, he must be the worlds fattest winger but a good player non the less.
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Prutton....6 Got better as the game went on. Some good runs off the ball and high work rate as per usual but did little with the ball at his feet.
Douglas...6 Not his best but put in a shift as usual.
Delph......8 In and out of the game but at times was sublime.
Robinson.7 Hardest he's worked all season, didn't influance the game as much as he can. Better player coming off the bench.
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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #465 på: November 22, 2008, 22:37:34 »
...mens spissene naturlig nok får mye samstemt pris: :)

Beckford – 7 – Could have had another hat trick. Extremely dangerous and pacy, in bursts.
Becchio – 7 – Another well taken goal. Vying with Delph for player of the season so far.

Snodgrass – 6 – Some bright moments.
...
Beckford – 7
Becchio –8

Snodgrass – 7

...
Beckford - 8
Becchio - 8
...
Beckford 8 - Back in the swing of things.

Becchio 7 - Should have had a couple more, but phenomenal workrate as usual.
...
Beckford – 8 - MOTM– worked v hard, especially 1st half. good goals, plus an assist
Becchio – 7 .5– worked hard, held the ball up, great finish


Snodgrass – 6 – ok
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OVERALL - poor I thought. Lucas kept us in the game and for a time in the 2nd half we really did push our luck. how robbo started over snod is a mystery to me. could have gone horribly wrong today... HOOF

Will our defence ever get sorted out?
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Beckford – 8 – Two well taken goals and like all great strikers, he missed a few easier opportunites.

Becchio – 7 – Always involved and took his goal well.

Substitutes:

Snodgrass – 6 – Surprised he didn’t start as he was easily our best player last week. Not on for long but covered the pitch. I’d like to see more of him.
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BECKFORD 8- motm.
BECCHIO 8

SNODDY: 6
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Beckford - 8 - Beasley can cactus off, he's the best striker in this division and its funny how his critics quickly dissappear
Becchio - 7 - Well taken goal, but I think he's starting to slide a little, shows good touches but seems to making a lot of the wrong choices on the ball at the minute
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Becchio: 7 - Always available for the ball down the channels, unlucky with chance at end of 1st hand but made up for it with goal that sealed game
Beckford: 8 - Excellent header and nearly scored one of the goals of the season early on with the run and placed shot saved by 'keeper. MOTM.


...
Beckford..9 Awesome. MOM
Becchio...8 Should have got 3 today but you never get less than 100% from Becc's

Could easily have scored 6 or 7 today 
Hartlepool could have had 3 or 4 tho 
...

All in all, a decent game with the same old story = great going forward, worrying at the back.

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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #466 på: November 22, 2008, 22:43:23 »
...og her en strong opinion om hvordan vi spilte:

- No tippy tappy "to me to you to me" passing today. Went direct over a hard working 5 MAN MIDFIELD and got it up to the two best strikers in the league early and then, this is the difference from crap hoofball and effective direct football, got the knockdowns and played football in the final third. If Robinson's end product and Beckford's finishing had been better we could've been looking at cricket score. Effective football over pretty football for me every feckin' time!

- Prutton was crap compared to Monday, imo, his passing was awful but he's still a big physical presence in there and works hard when we don't have the ball and makes runs from midfield, unlike "Killa".

- To McPolar and 11whites, if Kilkenny had've been playing today that result would've been a lot tighter and may have ended up a draw. We'd have stroked it around the middle of the park trying to play our way through a five man midfield and it would'nt have worked. Last two games against league one opposition without Kilkenny? 5-2 and 4-1 wins. Games with? 2-1 loss and 1-0 win. Coincidence? Maybe, but I wish people would stop thinking he is the be all and end all and we can't pass the ball without him. I actually rate him and rated him last season but only on the right, not in the middle where the people with testicles play!

- Telfer's getting worse with every game now. Free header with noone around him headed directly up in the air for their goal! Just as Lubo seems to be regaining some form Telfer's picked up the "dodgy" baton!

- I'll have Delph's babies!

- For a ten minute period today when they got the ball down, Hartlepool one and two touched around us like we weren't there. We can't play like that even when the messiah Kilkenny is playing. Why?!


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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #467 på: November 22, 2008, 22:54:33 »
...Becchio ble byttetr ut, skadet ble det fryktet:

noticed from the LUTV highlights that at the final whistle Becchio came out of the dugout with his right foot all packed and bandaged. Was this just a precautionary measure for a small knock or does anyone know if it's an injury?


Took a knock but was sprinting on it fine for the next 5 minutes but then he was subbed just as a precautionary probably.


...så da får man håpe han er klar allerede tirsdag....


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« Svar #468 på: November 23, 2008, 11:43:20 »
I gaar var det en befrielse aa se et Leedslag uten Kilkenny!

En midtbane med Delph, sammen med en eller to hurtige og hardtarbeidende spillere, er noekkelen neste sesong i CCC. Ingen i dagens stall har disse kvalitetene.

 

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« Svar #469 på: November 23, 2008, 11:45:13 »
Korleis fungerer Prutts?
Har savnet han i startoppstillingen i år.


I gaar var det en befrielse aa se et Leedslag uten Kilkenny!

En midtbane med Delph, sammen med en eller to hurtige og hardtarbeidende spillere, er noekkelen neste sesong i CCC. Ingen i dagens stall har disse kvalitetene.

 
COME ON LEEDS !!

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« Svar #470 på: November 23, 2008, 12:04:27 »
Korleis fungerer Prutts?
Har savnet han i startoppstillingen i år.


I gaar var det en befrielse aa se et Leedslag uten Kilkenny!

En midtbane med Delph, sammen med en eller to hurtige og hardtarbeidende spillere, er noekkelen neste sesong i CCC. Ingen i dagens stall har disse kvalitetene.

 

Han legger ned et stort arbeid og fungerer greit saa lenge det er Delph som styrer.
Gaarsdagens midtbane vil gjoere en ok figur i CCC. Mitt poeng er at vi maa ta sikte paa en topplass og da er hverken Douglas eller Prutton de rette.
Det ser ut for at McAllister vil ha offensive sidebacker og da maa vi ha midtbanespillere som kan dekke opp for dette. I tillegg maa vi ha hurtige midtstoppere. At Parker blir avsloert litt defensivt, har med dette aa gjoere. Parker gjorde forresten en god kamp.




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Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #471 på: November 23, 2008, 13:55:27 »
Sterk snu operasjon igår  :D

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« Svar #472 på: November 23, 2008, 14:04:43 »
Svend (eller noen andre, Torgeir...), vet du hvordan det gikk med de reisende?



Alle "mine" 25 kom seg frem etter mye styr.
Sistemann fra Bergen ble ombooket til Gatwick. Skulle opprinnelig lande i M'chester.
I tillegg til flykaos, var det mye styr med rommene paa Marriott. Her maatte jeg passe paa ved hvert vaktskifte, at rommene ikke ble automatisk avbestilt.
Etter kampen tror jeg alt dette var glemt.

Det er en ting jeg har laert meg etter mange aar paa reisefot og det er at paa vinterstid, reiser jeg alltid tidlig paa morgenen. Da kommer du alltid frem, om ikke flyplassene er helt stengt.
 

Boxman

Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #473 på: November 23, 2008, 15:56:50 »
Finally:  22/11/2008 Leeds v Hartlepool
(Scorecast) Jermaine Beckford scorer først og Leeds 4-1 71.00 Ingen Vunnet
Innsats:  100,00 Gevinst:  7.000,00 Utbetaling:  7.100,00
 
Etter å ha truffet på første målscorer, men bommet på resultatet med ett mål eller to, mange ganger denne sesongen, satt den i går. Bare synd det ikke ble ett mål til, for jeg hadde 5-1 også, til 186 i odds. Sammen med Leeds United -2,5, ble det endelig penger å tjene på Super-Leeds i går.  ;D ;D ;D
Proud to be Leeds!

Henning

Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #474 på: November 23, 2008, 21:04:26 »
Lucas- har spelt seg tilbake som keeper nr.1
Hughes- mange gode offansive bidrag, ein del gode innlegg, særleg i første, slite litt defansivt (må vel berre innsjå at backane våre kjem til å gjere det)
Telfer og Michalik- var vel litt betre enn i dei siste kampane, men offansiv markering må dei lære seg.
Parker- synst han hadde nok ein god kamp. trøbla defansivt ved enkelte høve, men ein av formspelarane
Robinson- har vel hatt betre kampar, viser til tider kva han er god for. Spelte på høgresida, men valgte likevel ofte å gå innover i bana i staden for innlegg. Dårleg defansivt når vi blir trykt ein periode i andre.
Douglas- bra kamp, etter litt nedangåande formkurve i det siste.
Delph- god kamp, iskald avslutning.
Prutton- overaska postivt i dei siste to kampane, har ikkje vist klasse når han har kome inn som innbyttar tidlegare, men klarer seg absolutt bra
Beckford- is back. Gode løp, jobbar bra, også defansivt når vi blir trykt i andreomgang.
Becchio- nytt mål, ikkje suveren som eg har sett han tidlegare, men nok ein god forestilling.

Snodgrass- godt innhopp, viser klasse (trur han og robinson må bytte på å starte og vere supersub)

* Bra resultat og er det beste laget bortsett fra ein periode i andre omgang der vi blir jagande etter. 3-1 målet kom mot spelets gang, men etter det var det full kontroll igjen.
I perioden der vi slit, kjem heldigvis beckford ned og hjelp til periodevis.

* Beckford kjem oftare i midten, men fortsatt vandrar han til tider breitt venstre.

* Midtbana er ofte skeiv i løpet av kampen, noko som kan bidra til problem defansivt.

* Fortsatt ikkje trygg på forsvaret vårt, men håper i det lengste at det vil kome seg.

Ferre

Sv: KAMP: vs. Hartlepool United 22/11
« Svar #475 på: November 24, 2008, 17:09:15 »