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Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« på: November 18, 2015, 21:09:58 »
Den siste engelskmannen som førte et fotballag til topps i England bør også ha en egen tråd.

Så her Wilko, denne er din:


@MartinMarty1974: Leeds Utd In The 80s -The Start of Wilkos Leeds Part 1 https://t.co/Au6g0cFRCY

@MartinMarty1974: Leeds Utd In The 80s-The Start Of Wilkos Leeds Part 2 https://t.co/B92zGM4l1E

 :)
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Josch

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #2 på: November 19, 2015, 20:33:29 »
Min første tanke er at Wilko  egentlig var større enn det vi innså den gang han ledet Leeds. Idag hadde vi vært storfornøyd med en 5-6 plass i øverste liga. Mye gikk galt det siste året, og han fikk mye pepper, men du verden for en teft han hadde mht. spillerkjøp de første 2-3 årene. Alt klaffet for en ganske billig penge. :)

Deretter ble PL etablert (1992) og CL skapte et slags skille mellom de rikeste klubbene og nest rikeste . Det var ikke hans feil at Leeds ikke var blant de rikeste i England. Noen bomkjøp kostet også Leeds en del. En meget stor manger på sin tid. Litt synd at det endte opp med masse bomkjøp og piping fra Leeds-fansen. Ligacup finalen 1996 var vel det siste han oppnådde som kan kalles stort. Han gjorde ikke noen karriere etter Leeds heller, eller kanskje i FA?

Etablering av Akademiet var også hans fortjeneste, som ga en fin generasjon i ca 1999.


Smarte spillerkjøp av Wilko
« Siste redigering: November 19, 2015, 20:40:22 av Josch »

Kato

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #3 på: November 19, 2015, 21:28:33 »
Min første tanke er at Wilko  egentlig var større enn det vi innså den gang han ledet Leeds. Idag hadde vi vært storfornøyd med en 5-6 plass i øverste liga. Mye gikk galt det siste året, og han fikk mye pepper, men du verden for en teft han hadde mht. spillerkjøp de første 2-3 årene. Alt klaffet for en ganske billig penge. :)

Deretter ble PL etablert (1992) og CL skapte et slags skille mellom de rikeste klubbene og nest rikeste . Det var ikke hans feil at Leeds ikke var blant de rikeste i England. Noen bomkjøp kostet også Leeds en del. En meget stor manger på sin tid. Litt synd at det endte opp med masse bomkjøp og piping fra Leeds-fansen. Ligacup finalen 1996 var vel det siste han oppnådde som kan kalles stort. Han gjorde ikke noen karriere etter Leeds heller, eller kanskje i FA?

Etablering av Akademiet var også hans fortjeneste, som ga en fin generasjon i ca 1999.


Smarte spillerkjøp av Wilko

I Sunderland var han katastrofe.

Det som hang mest ved han var "long ball tactics".
 

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Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #6 på: Mars 01, 2017, 11:27:34 »
Dokumentar om Wilko snart premièreklar.

Do You Want To Win?
••
BY The City Talking

One morning in October 1988, Howard Wilkinson walked into history. History was Elland Road; the great football stadium in Leeds, built by the efforts of Don Revie; home to one of the greatest club sides in Europe, built by Don Revie. But on that morning, Leeds United were 21st in Football League Division Two, and now Howard Wilkinson was here, history had to go. He met his new employers, cracked jokes with the press, and got to work.

The photos of the glory days had to go, that day. The players had to come back for extra training, that day. The football club had to become part of the city again, that day. Leeds needed a football team to be proud of, that day.

Wilkinson’s challenge to the club, the players and the city was simple. Do you want to win? And will you back a man who says he will? It will be expensive, and difficult, and even at times upsetting. But if you want to win, can you afford not to?

Do You Want To Win? is a feature-length documentary film, a collaborative project from The City Talking, BlackBox Creative, Leeds United and BBC Leeds, including interviews with Howard Wilkinson, Gordon Strachan, Gary McAllister, Bill Fotherby, Ces Podd, Mel Sterland, Dylan Kerr, Chris Whyte, Eddie Gray, Vinnie Jones and more.

Director Lee Hicken says, “Working on this film has been the dream project; telling the story of Leeds United from 1988 to 1992 and their First Division championship win. We want to introduce a well-loved story to a new generation in Leeds and the rest of the world. This project is a perfect example of Leeds International Festival as a platform for innovative collaborations; three of the country’s best storytellers, The City Talking, BlackBox Creative and the BBC, creating new work for an international audience.”

The premiere of Do You Want To Win? will take place in Leeds on April 24th at Everyman Cinema as a part of Leeds International Festival, and the film will be available to purchase on DVD.
The release is accompanied by a brand new hardback book about the era, written by Daniel Chapman, also titled Do You Want To Win?
http://www.thecitytalking.com/do-you-want-to-win/
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Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

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Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #7 på: Mars 01, 2017, 12:47:21 »
Kjekt om man kan få kjøpt eller streamet denne fra Norge. Det var dels denne mannen som er ansvarlig for mitt forhold til Leeds.

DenHviteYeboah

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #8 på: Mars 01, 2017, 15:52:05 »
Wilko er en legende. Bare synd at han presterte det hjernedøde å selge Cantona. Det henger ved ham til evig tid :(
Folk har mange "lure" forklaringer på hvorfor, men det er og blir tidenes tabbesalg uansett  :(

Jon R

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #9 på: Mars 01, 2017, 17:57:27 »
Wilko er en legende. Bare synd at han presterte det hjernedøde å selge Cantona. Det henger ved ham til evig tid :(
Folk har mange "lure" forklaringer på hvorfor, men det er og blir tidenes tabbesalg uansett  :(

Tabben var ikke å selge Cantona, som var blitt et råttent eple i kurven. Tabben var å selge han til Man Utd.
Jon R.

auren

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #10 på: Mars 01, 2017, 18:05:11 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren
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Kato

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #11 på: Mars 01, 2017, 18:27:47 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Sesongen etter scoret han vel 7 mål  på 23 kamper, og ble etter hvert erstattet av ikke ukjente Yeboah.

Noel Whelans tid i Leeds bør i hvert fall ikke gjøres større enn den var. Rundt 50 kamper og 7 mål ble fasiten. En glimrende middelmådighet.
« Siste redigering: Mars 01, 2017, 18:33:57 av Kato »
 

auren

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #12 på: Mars 01, 2017, 18:31:36 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

Kato

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #13 på: Mars 01, 2017, 18:36:38 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Sikkert riktig det. I min verden var Noel Whelan I Leeds aldri noen juvel, Leeds-gutt eller ikke. Middelmådig. Bra i lufta, oppofrende, men spilte med slalomsko. Med andre ord erkebritisk.
« Siste redigering: Mars 01, 2017, 18:41:58 av Kato »
 

auren

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #14 på: Mars 01, 2017, 18:46:24 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Sikkert riktig det. I min verden var Noel Whelan I Leeds aldri noen juvel, Leeds-gutt eller ikke. Middelmådig. Bra i lufta, oppofrende, men spilte med slalomsko. Med andre ord erkebritisk.

Spilte med slalomsko akkurat som Chapman?  ;)

Har ikke sagt at han var noen juvel, men up and coming. Noe som stemmer ganske perfekt i mine øyne. Som 19-20 åring scoret han 7 mål på 23 kamper for Leeds i 94/95-sesongen. Dog hadde han ikke den beste høsten (8 målløse kamper), men jeg husker det var svært overraskende at vi solgte ham til Coventry desember 1995. Og når erstatterne het Chapman og Hateley så viste det at godeste Wilko var så på villspor at han helt korrekt fikk sparken september 1996.

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
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Kato

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #15 på: Mars 01, 2017, 20:06:03 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Sikkert riktig det. I min verden var Noel Whelan I Leeds aldri noen juvel, Leeds-gutt eller ikke. Middelmådig. Bra i lufta, oppofrende, men spilte med slalomsko. Med andre ord erkebritisk.

Spilte med slalomsko akkurat som Chapman?  ;)

Har ikke sagt at han var noen juvel, men up and coming. Noe som stemmer ganske perfekt i mine øyne. Som 19-20 åring scoret han 7 mål på 23 kamper for Leeds i 94/95-sesongen. Dog hadde han ikke den beste høsten (8 målløse kamper), men jeg husker det var svært overraskende at vi solgte ham til Coventry desember 1995. Og når erstatterne het Chapman og Hateley så viste det at godeste Wilko var så på villspor at han helt korrekt fikk sparken september 1996.

auren

En fattigmanns Chapman.
 

Jon R

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #16 på: Mars 01, 2017, 21:21:16 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Ian Rush?
Jon R.

Jon R

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #17 på: Mars 01, 2017, 21:36:16 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Sikkert riktig det. I min verden var Noel Whelan I Leeds aldri noen juvel, Leeds-gutt eller ikke. Middelmådig. Bra i lufta, oppofrende, men spilte med slalomsko. Med andre ord erkebritisk.

Spilte med slalomsko akkurat som Chapman?  ;)

Har ikke sagt at han var noen juvel, men up and coming. Noe som stemmer ganske perfekt i mine øyne. Som 19-20 åring scoret han 7 mål på 23 kamper for Leeds i 94/95-sesongen. Dog hadde han ikke den beste høsten (8 målløse kamper), men jeg husker det var svært overraskende at vi solgte ham til Coventry desember 1995. Og når erstatterne het Chapman og Hateley så viste det at godeste Wilko var så på villspor at han helt korrekt fikk sparken september 1996.

auren

En fattigmanns Chapman.
Det synes jeg ikke passer så godt. Whelan hadde en ganske slepen teknikk, var overlegen Chapman der. Mer teknikk og mindre fysikk enn Chapman.Han hadde noen herlige raid, både for oss og Coventry. Husker han hadde rundens goal tidlig i Coventrykarierren, husker ikke mot hvem, en slags fattigmanns versjon av Eddie Gray sitt legendariske mål mot Burnely. Burde være lett å finne på Youtube.

 Nå fadet karrieren hans tidlig ut. Det er vel ingen hemmelighet at alkoholen ødela mye for Whelan.
Jon R.

auren

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #18 på: Mars 01, 2017, 21:44:08 »
Synes det var mer hjernedødt å selge en up and coming Noel Whelan for å erstatte ham med Lee Chapman og Mark Hateley.

auren

Her er det vel noe som skurrer. Chapman kom i januar 90, scoret 12 mål derfra og ut sesongen, blant annet det avgjørende opprykksmålet i Bournemouth. Og var en kjempesuksess i Leeds. Han ble solgt 11 august 1993.

Noel Whelan debuterte i mai 1993, altså to måneder før Chapman ble solgt.  Han spilte 16 kamper sesongen etter, og scoret 0 mål. Så det var vel kanskje mer Whelan som erstattet Chapman uten suksess.

Han kom tilbake på lån til Leeds i 1996 og spilte to kamper. Siterer Wikipedia:

"During early 1996 he was loaned back to Leeds United where he played only two games. In his first, against one of his former sides, West Ham United, he was sent-off for elbowing defender Marc Rieper."

Hateley kom vel også til Leeds rundt denne perioden. Også han på lån. Spilte 6 kamper og scoret 0 mål.

Ser ut til at Whelan ble solgt i 1995, men det kan jo ha vært i slutten av 1995 og at Hateley og Chapman kom våren 96. Mener de ble hentet inn kort tid etter at han forsvant til Coventry.

auren

Ian Rush?

Han hadde jeg helt glemt ut.. Huff! I løpet av våren 1996 signerer vi Chapman, Hateley og Rush. Dette er jo verre signeringer enn Noel Hunt, Michael Brown og co. som vi har opplevd de siste sesongene, nivået tatt i betraktning...

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

Jon R

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #19 på: Mars 01, 2017, 21:47:09 »
Noel Whelan kavalkade: https://youtu.be/CWmwkUTHuxM

Jeg så ikke hele klippet men definitivt ingen "fattigmanns Chapman" dette her nei. Mange outstanding mål. Scorer med begge bein fra mange vinkler og distanser men knapt nok et eneste med hodet.  ;)
Jon R.

auren

Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #20 på: Mars 01, 2017, 21:59:12 »
Noel Whelan kavalkade: https://youtu.be/CWmwkUTHuxM

Jeg så ikke hele klippet men definitivt ingen "fattigmanns Chapman" dette her nei. Mange outstanding mål. Scorer med begge bein fra mange vinkler og distanser men knapt nok et eneste med hodet.  ;)

Så alle målene, og ingen med hodet og ingen tap ins. Alle målene er fra ganske bra til strålende. Litt artig å se Whelan juble med McAllister og Huckerby etter et mål.

auren

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Sv: Manager-legende: Howard Wilkinson
« Svar #21 på: Oktober 07, 2017, 18:19:45 »
Carlton Palmer, spiller med mange landskamper men med lite cred blant den vanlige fan... Ute med bok "It is what it is". Leeds-kapitlene blir indirekte en sammenligning av managerene Sgt Wilko og George Graham.
Ingen tvil om hvem som vant der, i Palmers øyne:

Leeds United: Wilkinson and Graham were like chalk and cheese – Carlton Palmer

Carlton Palmer dices with Sheffield Wednesday's Andy Pearce. Leon Wobschall
 Published: 06:00 Saturday 07 October 2017 

RENOWNED as strict disciplinarians during their time at the managerial coalface they may have been, but ask Carlton Palmer and that was where the similarities ended between former Leeds United bosses Howard Wilkinson and George Graham. For Palmer, whose three-year stint at Elland Road in the mid-nineties is chronicled in his highly-readable and brutally honest autobiography entitled It Is What It Is, public perceptions were rather misleading when it came to the former. But most definitely not with the latter.

Howard Wilkinson. Listen to those in the national media back in the day and Wilkinson, a former school teacher, was depicted as a slightly aloof character seemingly lacking in warmth and charisma and plainly someone who did not suffer fools and demanded the highest of standards from his players. Palmer is quick to vouch for Wilkinson’s abhorence for slackness of any description, but is equally emphatic in his desire to dispel the myth that his ex-boss was a humourous ‘cold fish’ too. To him, Wilkinson was a honest and loyal Yorkshireman with a rich sense of humour and engaging company. Their friendship endures to this day, although the same can probably not be said about Palmer and Graham.

Indeed, it was Wilkinson’s persuasive qualities which tempted Palmer to reject the overtures of a man who proved very much a father figure in a footballing sense in Ron Atkinson when Sheffield Wednesday agreed to let him leave in the summer of 1994. George Graham. Most may have automatically expected Palmer to head back to his native Midlands and link up with Atkinson, his former mentor at Hillsborough and first club West Brom, at Aston Villa after a fee was agreed. But they reckoned without the canny salesman qualities of ‘Sgt Wilko’ who beat a rival club to the punch to land his man not for the first time. Speaking to the YEP, Palmer, who made exactly 100 league appearances for Leeds after joining in a £2.6m deal, said: “I had just had a house built in Sheffield and my kids were settled in school, so it made sense. I had agreed to go to Aston Villa, but Ron was at the World Cup and Howard had upped the offer to Sheffield Wednesday.

“My guy at the time said: ‘Just speak to him out of courtesy’. I went to speak to Howard and just really liked him as a bloke. I don’t sign for clubs, but people. People said that I wouldn’t have gone to Sheffield Wednesday as they were going to get relegated. I signed for Ron Atkinson and at Southampton, I signed for Dave Jones. I went to Leeds United because of Howard Wilkinson. “I had a good time there and I know it upset the Sheffield Wednesday supporters, but it was a good fit. “Howard is a very matter-of-fact bloke and I like black and white and I can’t deal with grey areas. He said to me: ‘You need to move back to centre-back and need to play in one position to make your position with the England team.’ “He said all the right things and was true to his word. With everything, I learned an awful lot from him and he’s a very good friend of mine personally now.“

Howard is just the same as Big Ron. He likes a laugh and a joke. But what he has got is a public and private persona. You only get to see that private persona if you are in his counsel. He is a very funny guy. He dresses the same as Ron and loves his clobber and is always immaculate. They are very similar in personalities which you wouldn’t believe.“The one thing I learned from Howard is that you don’t play to the tune. You be the way you are and be true to yourself. I took something from all the managers I worked under, but I learned a lot from Howard in terms of discipline. “He’s the only manager to this day – including Ron, who I love to bits – who has come in and told me that if I did well, he would give me a new contract.“He is the only one to this day, in all the years of playing football and doing well, of doing that and saying: ‘this is what I have said and what I will do.’ I have got a lot of time for Howard.”

A regular in the Leeds side under Wilkinson, Palmer’s card was soon marked following the arrival of his replacement Graham in the autumn of 1996 and his experiences with another tough-taskmaster and no-nonsense figure could not have been more contrasting,

It was the beginning of the end for Palmer’s time at Leeds and just as Wilkinson quickly made his mark in the late eighties in terms of his squad make-over with some big characters dispensed with, so Graham did the same.Not that Palmer was given free rein to chose his next destination when Graham made it clear he could leave in the summer of 1997. Quite the opposite, with the Scot pretty streetwise in that respect.

Palmer said: “George’s mentality was this. His words to me were: ‘you are a good player, but you are not going to embarrass me.’ He told me Joe Royle was in for me to go to Everton and Harry (Redknapp) was in for me to go to West Ham. But he said: ‘you are not going somewhere in the Premier League to embarrass me.’“You can go to Southampton – who were seven points adrift at the bottom of the league – or the Championship.’ I knew what it was about. “He believed that if he knocked the big characters, then everybody else would fall into tune. But we were coming to an end of era of that type of manager. You can’t bully the players any more now because they are on too much money.”“It Is What It is”: Carlton Palmer with Steven Jacobi, Vertical Editions £17.99.

Read more at: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-wilkinson-and-graham-were-like-chalk-and-cheese-carlton-palmer-1-8792383
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Flashback – How and why Howard Wilkinson made the move from Sheffield Wednesday to Leeds United 30 years ago today

Published: 06:10 Wednesday 10 October 2018
Welcome: Howard Wilkinson arrives at Elland Road to be greeted by Leslie Silver as he starts his new job as manager in October, 1988.
Welcome: Howard Wilkinson arrives at Elland Road to be greeted by Leslie Silver as he starts his new job as manager in October, 1988.
HOWARD WILKINSON’S wife was very succinct with her response to his proposal to leave Sheffield Wednesday after five years and take charge of Leeds United.


“She said I was crazy,” laughs the 74-year-old, three decades on from a move up the M1 that stunned Yorkshire football. “A few others said the same and, to be fair, they had a point.

“My first reaction when asked if I was interested in Leeds was to reply, ‘You must be joking’. But I soon saw it as a chance to, not so much start with a clean sheet of paper, but rub the bad off the paper and keep the good.”

Wilkinson did that and then some. Inheriting a side sitting fourth bottom of Division Two and only outside the relegation places on goal difference the former teacher took Leeds into the top flight at the end of his first full season and then to the League title two years later.

All that, though, was way in the future when Wilkinson succeeded Billy Bremner on October 10, 1988 following two weeks of talks with United chairman Leslie Silver.

“I liked Leslie from the start,” he says when talking to The Yorkshire Post in his Sheffield home. “I felt he was someone I could trust right from our first meeting at his paint company.

“Bobby Robson had recommended me for the job to Leslie and Bill Fotherby, his second in command. I was told via a journalist called David Walker they wanted to see me, if only to get my advice.

“So I drove up to meet Leslie at about 6.45 one night, deliberately so no one would be around.”

From that first convivial two-hour meeting came another, at which Silver asked how much it would cost to bring true success back to Elland Road.

“There was a slow way of doing it and a quick way,” recalls Wilkinson, who had outlined at the initial meeting a plan that involved promotion the following season and the League title “within five or six years”.

“I said the difference was about £2m, which I knew from a look at the finances would have to be Leslie’s money.”

Silver never blinked – and Wilkinson was about to cut short what had been a hugely successful spell in charge at Hillsborough.

Wednesday had been promoted to Division One in his first season and then rarely been out of the top half. The Owls had also enjoyed a couple of stirring FA Cup runs.

“I had an excellent relationship with (Owls chairman) Bert McGee,” he adds. “He was a gentleman, but at the end of my fifth season I had gone to the board and said, ‘Look, we have gone as far as we can go with some of these players and to bring about the change required to push us on will take money’. I gave them a figure.

“The board, though, wouldn’t budge. The club had been in deep trouble a few years earlier, nearly going to the wall. The board, all Wednesdayites, didn’t want to ever be in that position again. I understood that.”

Leeds would be the undoubted beneficiaries of this caution in S6. United, having lost the four games preceding Wilkinson’s appointment, were beaten just once in his first 16 league outings.

It was off-the-field, however, where the most important transformation was happening thanks to Wilkinson’s eye for detail and vision.

He adds: “From the outside I saw Leeds as a city dominated by Don Revie. I told Leslie at our first meeting that the person coming in had ghosts all over the place, which could not be ignored – and mustn’t be ignored because they were great times.

“But now the party was over – and it had been for a while at Leeds. I took down all the old photos (from the Revie era) and said, ‘When we are nearly or as good as them then they can go back up’.

“I think they went back up after promotion.”

As the walls of Elland Road were undergoing a makeover so, too, was the club as a more professional set-up was adopted with close attention paid to diet and preparation. Wilkinson also had a very firm idea as to the type of character he wanted at Leeds.

“There are always leaders who create the energy in a football club,” he adds. “The followers then feed off the leaders’ energy.

“But then there might also be terrorists within the club. They drain energy.

“These terrorists also like company. Misery loves company. It is the same in an office as a football club.

“I bet you have it at The Yorkshire Post. She or he will always be looking for a pal, and then always in their ear, saying, ‘That boss can’t talk to you like that’.

“There were no big or nasty surprises in those first few months. Just a case of putting a green or red mark next to each person’s name.”

Wilkinson admits one signing changed everything.

“Gordon Strachan was key,” he says about pipping Wednesday to the Scot’s signature in March, 1989. “He’d not had a good time at Manchester United due to him and Alex (Ferguson) not having the best of relationships following his departure from Aberdeen.

“When we met I almost got the sense Gordon thought he had one foot in the deckchair. I made it clear that was not what I wanted.

“What I needed was someone who would be my leader on the pitch and the person I wanted everyone else to be. I knew that person didn’t exist at the club.

“Gordon signed and the rest, as they say, is history.”


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Happy 75th birthday to Howard Wilkinson.

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