Emne: Politiet under Leeds-kamper

[Svend Anders]

Vet ikke om denne dokumentaren er postet før, men her er en dokumentar (fordelt på fem klipp) med case i Leeds vs Millwall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RWpwNhHPKE
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlU5WN6LUOc&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OCUhGmpZ4&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDH_H62rP5k&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hr7LLDujkM&feature=related

Heldigvis er ikke dette hverdagskost ved Elland Road.

SA

[Tom S]

Skremmande/imponerande for eit apparat som er sving under høgrisiko kamper!

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Leeds mener at de skal ha mer penger fra politiet for vakthold på ER. Saken er at klubben mener at innbetalte penger skal returneres. De mener at politiet har et samfunnsansvar for folka sikkerhet som ikke klubben skal betale for alene.

Adam Pope:
A High Court judge will reserve judgement until a later date before deciding if #lufc are entitled to more than £2.5m from @WestYorksPolice

 

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Leeds mener at de skal ha mer penger fra politiet for vakthold på ER. Saken er at klubben mener at innbetalte penger skal returneres. De mener at politiet har et samfunnsansvar for folka sikkerhet som ikke klubben skal betale for alene.

Adam Pope:
A High Court judge will reserve judgement until a later date before deciding if #lufc are entitled to more than £2.5m from @WestYorksPolice

 

Wayne Gardiner:
PA newswire: #lufc awarded 1.2million in relation to overpricing of policing at home games.



£ 1,2 millioner til spillerkjøp ?     

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Judge urges police and Leeds United to reach agreement in costs row

Elland Road
by Rob Parsons
Published on the
01 August
2014
13:24
 
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WEST Yorkshire Police look set to hand back more money to Leeds United for wrongfully-levied matchday policing charges after a new ruling by a High Court judge.

United are seeking more than £2.5 million from the force after a court ruled in 2012 that charging for ‘special policing services’ provided by officers outside their Elland Road ground was “in part unlawful”.

Leeds had objected to being forced to contribute to policing costs for land around the ground that is neither club-owned nor controlled for three seasons.

So far the force has paid £1,238,817, which is said to represent the total loss including interest, but Leeds United say they are entitled to a further £844,017 plus interest.

The dispute centres on the different methodologies being used to work out how much should be re-imbursed by West Yorkshire Police.

A High Court judge, Sir David Eady, was asked to determine how much of the £2.5 million that United say they have overpaid should be refunded by the West Yorkshire force.

In a ruling released today, Judge Eady said the police methodology intended to “identify the element of all relevant match-day policing operations in respect of which a charge was unlawfully made”, but said the club described it as “vague and lacking in transparency”.

He said: “It was on the basis of this methodology that WYP repaid the rebate it thought due and claims now that no more is owed.

“As a matter of principle, however, it cannot be appropriate for the court to quantify loss on the basis of assumptions made by one of the parties and without having available a method to check the validity of those assumptions.”

Judge Eady said both of the rival methodologies had drawbacks, but that he preferred an approach “which takes established fact as the starting point, making due adjustment for changing circumstances, and minimises the need for assumption or speculation”.

He added: “The attraction of the LUFC method is that it proceeds on the basis of the charges made for the 2008-9 season, when the actual cost of policing within the stadium can be established with some confidence.”

He concluded: “When this exercise is carried out, it should be possible to identify within a reasonable margin of error the likely cost of policing within the stadium for each of the later seasons.

“Consequently, one can infer the amounts by which those notional ‘stadium costs’ were exceeded in the invoices rendered.

“I have not been able to produce an exact calculation of the loss, but I hope that I have resolved the key issues of principle and that this will enable a final figure to be reached between the parties. There will be liberty to apply.”

During a previous hearing, the force accused the club of changing its case in a bid for a rebate for policing which it had previously accepted it should pay for.

John Beggs QC said the club had always agreed it was liable to contribute to policing in areas that it “owned, leased or controlled”.

But it had now “moved the goalposts” and contested charges for policing some areas of private land close to the ground.

In the appeal case last year, the club successfully argued that hundreds of officers involved in crowd control around the stadium were only doing their public duty.

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Leeds United 'owed £800,000' by West Yorkshire Police

The dispute centres around the cost of policing the area around Elland Road during Football matches.

Leeds United claims the West Yorkshire force still owes the club more than £800,000 due to overcharging for policing home games.

The police force, which lost a case in the High Court in 2012, has already paid back £1.2m to the football club.

The figures emerged after the court examined the latest stage of the dispute, for charges over three seasons between 2009 and 2012.

The police and club have failed to agree how much should be repaid.

'Area of dispute'
Two years ago, the High Court ruled the force overcharged for "special police services" between 2009 and 2012.

Leeds United had argued policing streets and car parks near its Elland Road ground was the force's responsibility and the club should not have to pay.

The High Court ruled in the club's favour and West Yorkshire Police lost a subsequent appeal against the decision.

The judge, Sir David Eady, said one area of dispute remaining related to how charges should be made for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

Revealing details of developments in the case in a written analysis, following a further hearing in June, the judge said both parties had failed to agree a formula to calculate the appropriate rebate.

Sir David said the force had "repaid the rebate it thought due" and "claims now that no more is owed".


BBC Yorkshire

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Leeds United 'owed £800,000' by West Yorkshire Police

The dispute centres around the cost of policing the area around Elland Road during Football matches.

Leeds United claims the West Yorkshire force still owes the club more than £800,000 due to overcharging for policing home games.

The police force, which lost a case in the High Court in 2012, has already paid back £1.2m to the football club.

The figures emerged after the court examined the latest stage of the dispute, for charges over three seasons between 2009 and 2012.

The police and club have failed to agree how much should be repaid.

'Area of dispute'
Two years ago, the High Court ruled the force overcharged for "special police services" between 2009 and 2012.

Leeds United had argued policing streets and car parks near its Elland Road ground was the force's responsibility and the club should not have to pay.

The High Court ruled in the club's favour and West Yorkshire Police lost a subsequent appeal against the decision.

The judge, Sir David Eady, said one area of dispute remaining related to how charges should be made for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

Revealing details of developments in the case in a written analysis, following a further hearing in June, the judge said both parties had failed to agree a formula to calculate the appropriate rebate.

Sir David said the force had "repaid the rebate it thought due" and "claims now that no more is owed".


BBC Yorkshire

bates har fått mycklet skit, men bl a detta gjorde han bra

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‘Leeds United must take lead in driving out football yobs’, say police

Police keep a watch on Leeds fans outside Elland Road. Picture by Tony Johnson
Updated on the
10 February
2015
16:40
Published 10/02/2015 18:30

A senior Yorkshire policeman has called on Leeds United bosses to develop better relationships with supporter groups in a bid to “marginalise” the hooligans who are damaging the club’s reputation.

West Yorkshire Police assistant chief constable Mark Milsom says his force has done as much as it can to lower the cost of keeping the peace at Elland Road and that the club now needs to take a lead with a “community-based approach”.

He said: “Where we are now is the club making big efforts on a longer-term sustained basis on improving the behaviour of their supporters and drawing out the hooligan element.

“We are looking for the club to engage with the numerous supporters groups that exist and start to develop that sense of community that exists in clubs, and develop improved crowd behaviour.”

He added: “There are large numbers of different supporter groups and developing relationships and initiatives would be a really positive step in terms of increasingly marginalising the hooligan element that so affects the reputation of ordinary Leeds fans, the club and the city of Leeds as well.


“We are looking to the club to do that and we have offered to assist them with that.”

It comes as West Yorkshire Police revealed that it paid out a total of more than £1.35m million to the club for wrongfully-levied matchday charges after agreeing to hand over an extra £123,000 in an out-of-court settlement.

The two sides were involved in a dispute after a court ruled in 2012 that charging for ‘special policing services’ provided by officers outside their Elland Road ground was “in part unlawful”.

The club claimed it was entitled to more than £2.5m but by the time the case came to court last summer West Yorkshire Police had only paid £1,238,817.

After a judge clarified the methodology for deciding costs the two sides met out of court and the police paid a further £123,000.

Mr Milsom says his force had previously tried unsuccessfully to meet Leeds United bosses to resolve the dispute but were only able to do when new owner Massimo Cellino took over.

He said: “The agreement we have got with Mr Cellino, we are happy with how we settled this matter.

“We were able to have a cordial discussion with him but the previous regime had been refusing to meet with us. For 18 months we weren’t allowed to discuss it.

“David Haigh wrote to me and said he was not going to discuss it with us on the legal advice of the solicitors then representing the club. We haven’t been able to sit down and talk about it.

“Between the 2013 Court of Appeal hearing and going back to court we only had one meeting with Leeds United, that was with Shaun Harvey just before he stepped aside from his chief executive role. Thereafter the club refused to talk to us.”

It was revealed last month that West Yorkshire Police faced costs of nearly £250,000 when policing Leeds United games at Elland Road last season.

According to statistics from the UK Football Policing Unit, Leeds United had 91 supporters arrested during the 2013/14 season, the highest total in the Championship and second only behind Manchester United for the four top English divisions. Forty-one of the arrests were at home games at Elland Road.

Prior to September 2014, 52 banning orders were issued against Leeds United supporters, the third highest total in the Championship but four fewer than Bradford City over the same period.

Matt Child, chief operating officer for Leeds United, said only a “tiny, tiny minority of fans misbehave” and that ensuring “the safety and the enjoyment of the game for the vast majority of the fans is right at the centre of what we are trying to achieve.”

He said the club had “a very healthy relationship with West Yorkshire Police” and that officials had “a good, open dialogue with them”.

Mr Child said: “There is nothing we would like more than giving them the opportunity to have more police officers on the street and fewer at football matches.

“We know we have a role to play in that and there is always more room for improvement, which is why we are talking to the police on a weekly and sometimes daily basis. We talk about not only home games but away games.

“For consistency the majority of our stewards are Leeds United stewards, which is important because that means the fans become familiar with the stewards, which creates a better environment. We also offer our stewards to away games because they have familiar faces.

“We have a new safety officer this season who brings significant experience from a host of other clubs and works closely with fan groups on the club’s behalf.

“We do feel as though we have the same objectives as West Yorkshire Police, which is to ensure safety for all our customers and ensuring matches go on in the spirit of the game.

“We are looking at the possibility of club security only at some of the lower attendance games as some other clubs do successfully; we have to think carefully about how we achieve that, and the basis of building towards that opportunity is good behaviour in the ground. Customers’ safety is the main thing.”

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It was revealed last month that West Yorkshire Police faced costs of nearly £250,000 when policing Leeds United games at Elland Road last season.

According to statistics from the UK Football Policing Unit, Leeds United had 91 supporters arrested during the 2013/14 season, the highest total in the Championship and second only behind Manchester United for the four top English divisions.

Prior to September last year, 52 banning orders had been issued against Leeds United supporters.

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Leeds United were charged more for policing than all London clubs combined last season - Leeds Live

Leeds United were charged more for policing than all London clubs combined last season.

It cost West Yorkshire Police (WYP) £815,087 to pay for officers at Leeds United matches in 2017/18, exclusive figures reveal.


The club have been invoiced for £572,779 of that total - 70 per cent.

However, London’s biggest clubs were charged just a fraction of that cost.


The Metropolitan Police spent £1.2m covering Tottenham Hotspur games, the most of any club in the capital.

Spurs were invoiced just £61,935 by the Met though - 9.2 times less than Leeds were charged by WYP.

Leeds had to pay more than £500,000 last season(Image: Jan Kruger/Getty Images)
Chelsea were invoiced for £103,802 to go towards the £936,253 cost of covering their games, which works out at 5.5 times less than what Leeds were charged.

Arsenal were charged £123,878 (4.6 times less than Leeds), while West Ham were charged £106,311 (5.4 times less than Leeds).


Under current rules, clubs are only obliged to pay for policing in the stadium and on their land, leading to the taxpayer picking up most of the bill.

Leeds’ most expensive game in terms of police costs was the April 7 clash with Sunderland.

Policing that game cost WYP £70,053.

The game against Millwall was the next most expensive (£67,433) followed by Sheffield United (£67,173) and Aston Villa (£66,462).

WYP sent their largest invoice for the Middlesbrough game.

The Boro clash cost United £47,863.

The Millwall, Sheffield United and Villa games all cost the club £47,238 each.

Leeds United's 2017-18 fixtures: Total cost to police

Date

Fixture

Total cost to police

07/04/18

Sunderland

£70,052.52

20/01/18

Millwall

£67,432.88

27/10/17

Sheffield United

£67,173.44

01/12/17

Aston Villa

£66,462.28

19/11/17

Middlesbrough

£58,715.48

21/04/18

Barnsley

£50,896.80

03/02/18

Cardiff City

£48,020.41

23/12/17

Hull City

£46,985.78

17/03/18

Sheffield Wednesday

£35,373.85

18/02/18

Bristol City

£32,817.26

06/05/18

Queens Park Rangers

£31,506.33

01/01/18

Nottingham Forest

£28,317.44

12/08/17

Preston North End

£27,573.02

30/03/18

Bolton Wanderers

£21,846.48

16/12/17

Norwich City

£21,746.54

12/09/17

Birmingham City

£21,706.70

14/10/17

Reading

£20,996.62

31/10/17

Derby County

£20,996.62

07/03/18

Wolverhampton Wanderers

£16,738.04

09/09/17

Burton Albion

£16,658.43

23/09/17

Ipswich Town

£16,259.70

22/08/17

Newport County

£10,799.22

09/08/17

Port Vale

£5,666.32

15/08/17

Fulham

£5,569.32

24/02/18

Brentford

£4,775.98

Leeds United's 2017-18 fixtures: Total charge to club

Date

Fixture

Charge to Leeds

19/11/17

Middlesbrough

£47,862.95

20/01/18

Millwall

£47,237.63

27/10/17

Sheffield United

£47,237.63

01/12/17

Aston Villa

£47,237.63

23/12/17

Hull City

£37,665.17

21/04/18

Barnsley

£37,042.55

07/04/18

Sunderland

£34,360.77

03/02/18

Cardiff City

£27,419.98

17/03/18

Sheffield Wednesday

£27,413.98

18/02/18

Bristol City

£24,839.00

01/01/18

Nottingham Forest

£22,855.75

30/03/18

Bolton Wanderers

£22,855.75

06/05/18

Queens Park Rangers

£21,789.66

12/09/17

Birmingham City

£15,134.74

14/10/17

Reading

£15,134.74

31/10/17

Derby County

£15,134.74

12/08/17

Preston North End

£14,722.00

16/12/17

Norwich City

£13,610.07

09/09/17

Burton Albion

£13,610.07

23/09/17

Ipswich Town

£12,938.73

07/03/18

Wolverhampton Wanderers

£12,085.40

09/08/17

Port Vale

£4,719.06

24/02/18

Brentford

£3,346.89

22/08/17

Newport County

£3,262.05

15/08/17

Fulham

£3,262.05

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Exclusive: #LUFC were charged more for policing than all London clubs combined last season