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Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #450 på: Januar 02, 2011, 10:55:31 »
WACCOE:

Well, should be a few more than usual as it was online.

Schmeichel: 6 Nothing really to do. Not particularly commanding at set pieces it must be said. Kicking was better but Max isn't the best target to go for is he?

Connolly: 6 Got caught too far forward at times. Delivery varied, shocking to just alright, put a few good challenges in when the game stretched in the second half.
Collins: 6 Solid in the air, lost his man too often, can't control anything not rolled to him with the force of a baby's breathing.
O'Brien: 7 Solid defensively.
Hughes: 4 Utterly dreadful. Just not good enough from him today. Nearly everything he did, simple or hard, went badly and bizarrely wrong.

Snodgrass: 6.5 Some lovely touches and link up play, drew a few bookings but final ball let him down.
Howson: 6.5 Worked hard getting up and down, but too deep and was well marked. Did well in the final ten minutes when the space opened up for him, and linked better than McCormack.
Johnson 4 Truly awful in the first half. Poor touches, awful passing, too slow with his movement and decision making. Improved slightly at left back.
Gradel: 5 Just never got going, couldn't beat his man and crossing was pants.

McCormack: 5 Tried, but performance summed up by his miss late on. Howson links better than him imo.
Becchio: 6 Having a poor game until he scored. Right place at the right time and a decent finish.

Subs

Kilkenny: 6.5 Did pretty well, got us moving faster than with Johnson in the middle, allowed players like Howson and the wingers to get forward knowing they might actually get the ball played to them.
Sam: 5.5 Didn't do much beyond the cut in from the left and shot just after he came on.
Watt: 7 Caused them a real problem with some decent crossing.


Grayson: 6.5 Subs changed the game, but the decision to pick Hughes, who had a nightmare, wasn't correct with hindsight, and I thought Johnson was weak in the middle for too long before it was changed. As it was we had the better of the game and possibly deserved a couple more points for the way we played towards the end.

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Kasper - 6 - Had nothing much to do however he has to take some fault for the total lack of communication in the defence.

Connolly - 7 - Steady, typical PC performance.
Collins - 6 - Doesn't strike me with much confidence but played a big part in the goal.
A'OB - 6 - Think he needs a better partner than Sam but needs to be a better leader as he has the obvious pedigree.
Hughes - 5 - A lot of effort but just generally poor.

Snoddy - 7 - Got battered a bit but looked like doing something, linked up well with Howson/Ross
Johnson - 5 - Has he got a new contract? Was poor today, a lot of effort but he just has no footballing brain at all.
Howson - 6 - Quiet, has some neat touches but isn't in the game, misses Killa/his position behind Becchio.
Max - 6 - Poor final ball, maybe time for a rest?
Ross - 6 - Should have scored, seems to be trying to hard but when he scores his first goal it should all click for him.

Becchio - 7 - Scored the equaliser but didn't seem to win many headers today, maybe tired?

Subs:
Sam - 6 - A decent run but not all that involved
Killa - 8 - Changed our play, quite a few good runs with the ball, the brain in our midfield.
Watt - 7 - Not much time but put in some neat crosses and generally did well.

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Schmeichel 6 - barely had anything to do, but urged the players forward and kicking game was decent
Connolly 6 - steady display, could have been a little more effective going forward
O'Brien 6 - reasonably assured display
Collins 7 - looked comfortable on the ball, made some good headers/tackles MOTM
Hughes 5 - very poor. wasteful
Johnson 5 - absolutely woeful until the last 20 mins
Howson 6 - did well, but could have been a little more involved
Snodgrass 6 - always a threat, but final ball was poor
McCormack 5 - didn't look match fit, often selfish and missed several opportunities
Gradel 5 - just not at the races today
Becchio 5 - scored the goal, but wheather had him in his pocket.

Sam 6 - nice energy, but guilty of losing possesion in advanced positions
Kilkenny 6 - ok, without adding little value
Watt - n/a

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Kasper - 6 - Iffy distribution.

Connolly - 6 - Nothing partiucularly stands out, good or bad.
O'Brien - 7 - Won plenty of headers, looked composed mostly.
Collins - 7 - Like O'Brien was pretty solid. Not much came through the middle.
Hughes - 4 - Out of his depth. Terrible.

Johnson - 5 - Back to the old Johnson. Slow thought process.
Howson - 6 - Not involved. Better towards the end when pushed forward.

Snoddy - 6 - Looked knackered even before they started booting him up in the air. Took plenty of challenges today.
Gradel - 6 - Mowbray had him well scouted. Marked out the game. That said, we didn't get the ball enough to him.

McCormack - 6 - Plenty of effort and some neat touches. Would have a 7 but that miss was awful.

Becchio - 6 - Dominated in the air for once. Boro's centre halves were very good until they stopped playing on about 88 minutes.

Subs

Kilkenny - 7 - Brought players into the game who had been missing before he came on. Howson actually got the ball in decent positions as a result of some pretty simple passing. Should have started.
Sam - 6 - Could the Sam from in the season please come back. Too easily knocked off the ball and kept running into trouble.
Watt - 7 - Some good runs and seemed to have the pace to get away from them. Should have been on earlier with Snoddy struggling to really make an impact.


Thought their fans were decent.

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Schmeichel - 6 : Not much to do
Connolly - 6 : Steady, not as much attacking play with Snoddy but that was due to Snodgrass
Collins - 6.5 : Not bad, did well in the air
O'Brien - 5.5 : Shaky, not his usual self. Almost seemed like he wasn't up for it like he has been
Hughes - 6 : Will struggle against decent wingers

Snodgrass - 6 : Completely marked out of the game, fair play to Boro for realising our danger man
Johnson - 6 : Prefers 4-5-1
Howson - 6 : Went missing in parts, but when involved looked good
Gradel - 6 : Same as Snodgrass, ineffective

Becchio - 5 : Pretty gash overall to be honest, very good defending from Wheater and Bates throughout. Good finish though

Subs
Sam - 7 : Should be given a start, more consistent than Gradel
Kilkenny - 7: We'll miss him this month. Today proved that.
Watt - 6 : No real impact. Good to see him back

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Schmeichel 6 -nothing much to do
Connolly 6 - steady, if not one of his best games
O'Brien 6 - "OK", made a bit of a horlicks over one or two clearances
Collins 5 - again "OK" when anything came to him about shoulder high
Hughes 4 - tries hard but completely out of his depth...WTF can't Grayson see this?
Johnson 5 - piss poor, improved slightly at LB
Howson 6 - Wasted by not playing in his best position.
Snodgrass 6 - Had one or two good runs, roughed up by their dirty fouls
McCormack 4 - 6 for his general play but minus 2 for finishing worse than a blind, one legged, centre half...AGAIN! He's SUPPOSED to be a goal scorer
Gradel 5 - poor
Becchio 5 - Disappointing but took his goal well

Kilkenny 6 - steadied the midfield in the second half
Watt 6 - one lively run and good cross for "that miss"
Sam 6 - again looked lively when he first came on

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Kasper - 6 - Nothing to do besides picking it out of the net
Connolly - 5 - Average, didn't get forward as often as he can and his crossing was way off the mark
Collins - 6 - 'Ok' Caused them problems towards the end
O'Brien - 6 - Again, just 'ok'
Hughes - 4 - Not good enough. Parker in
Snodgrass - 6 - Doubled up on him everytime. Was been kicked all over the place in the 2nd half, tried his best
Howson - 6 - Really doesn't shine as much when played further back in midfield
Johnson - 5 - Poor first half, average second. Towards the end did well though
Gradel - 5 - Off day for him. None of his crosses came off and didnt look like much of a threat tbh
McCormack - 6 - Shows flashes of class but not alot is coming off for him. Always wanted the ball though but really should've put that away at the end
Becchio - 5 - Did absolutely nothing besides score

Watt - 5 - Didn't look confident for me on the right wing. Which was the position he was brought on to play. Drifted too central leaving us with nothing out wide
Sam - 7 - Lively, caused them problems on the left. Bit like Snoddy, they didnt know if he was cutting inside or going to the byline
Kilkenny - 7 - We're gonna miss him when he goes, should've started today whilst we still have him. Does the simple things well and gets us going

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We were f**king dire today. Lucky to get a point. Only showed anything in the last 10 minutes.

Schmeichel-6-Poor distribution, gone from those bullet kicks to just lofting it miles up.

Connolly-6- Not at his best, poor crossing. Did alright defensively.
Collins-7- Won pretty much every header, in both boxes.
O'Brien-6- Average, too shaky with clearances.
Hughes-4- Tortured by Emnes. Awful.

Snodgrass-7- Did well until that dirty twat hit him.
Johnson-4-Awful first half. Decent at LB.
Howson-6- Missing most of the game. Not at his best.
Gradel-5- Awful crossing, awful decision making in general.

McCormack-7- Tried hard, some good touches, so close late on, should have finished it.
Becchio-5- Good finish, but Wheater had him in his back pocket nearly all game.

Sam-6- Good running, not much came off.
Kilkenny-7- Some good passing but f**king hell he takes his time.
Watt-7- Added spark, played really well for me.

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KS - 7 - distribution looked better than last 2 games, not real work to do!

PC - 7 - Solid as ever
AOB - 7 - Decent enough, headers seemed to be up in the air though, rather than clear
NC - 7 - Same as above
AH - 4 - A legend, but simply not good enough for this division

MG - 6 - marked out of the game, closed down by 2 every time!
BJ - 6.5 - looked decent playing in the whole between midfield and defence.
JH - 6.5 - looked to get hold of the ball at times, and gave 100% as ever
RM - 6.5 - tried hard, should have scored at the end, but was one of a couple that actually wanted to be there
RS - 6 - looks tired and like Max, was marked out of the game

LB - 7 - was winning the header, no one on the end of them. Great finish! LUCCCIANNNOOOOOOO!

LS - 7 - some good runs forward and some decent balls in the box, looked promising
NK - 7.5 - we looked a lot better when he came on, slowed the ball down and got the ball on the deck. We're going to miss him!

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Schmeichel: 6 - Couldn't do much with goal. Kicking to our wingers from deadballs etc isn't clever though.

Connolly: 4 - Still looked pissed from last night, his worst performance for us so far.
Collins: 7 - No protection offered from midfield, both cb's did well to stop them in open play.
O'Brien: 7 - Same as above.
Hughes: 6 - Did well at times, but also showed he isn't good enough for this league.

Snodgrass: 6 - Struggled to beat the full back, just like Gradel. Full back showed him outside everytime, obviously knew he would be worker off his weaker foot that way. Should of swapped sides with Gradel so he didn't try cutting back on his left to put ball in, very frustrating.
Howson: 6 - Comes in and out of the game too much when playing deeper, shame too seen as he had been doing so well. Bit of a dilema really as I want to see McCormack playing too.
Johnson: 5 - Touch and passing was back to his usual low standard, did better at left back than in the centre.
Gradel: 6 - Same as Snodgrass.

McCormack: 7 - Always looking to get on the ball, impressed me. Should of had 2 though, volley at edge of 6 yard area was poor. Header he missed doesn't need explaining.
Becchio: 6 - Quiet until he scored, frustrating game for him as he is good in the air but didn't get any service from the wingers.

Subs

Kilkenny: 6.5 - Keeps the ball for us better than anyone, even if we don't always go forward with it. Just needs to put himself about in their.
Sam: 5.5 - Got by the defender once when he cut inside and shot. Every other time full back expected it, once again should of put him on his stronger side Today.
Watt: 7 - Great ball for McCormack at the end. Caused them problems while he was on. Shame he couldn't get more power into his tame shot when 1 down.


Grayson: 6.5 Subs changed the game, but the decision to pick Hughes, who had a nightmare, wasn't correct with hindsight, and I thought Johnson was weak in the middle for too long before it was changed. As it was we had the better of the game and possibly deserved a couple more points for the way we played towards the end.


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KEEPER(1-player): Not much to do other than distribute the ball which was dreadful.
Scmeichel-5 not much to do other than 1 awkward save, a couple of catches and kicking. He didn’t make the save(even though he had a man on the post), the catches were clean enough but the kicking was dreadful.
DEFENCE(4): Didn’t do too bad to be honest. We were rarely troubled and our keeper only had 1 save to make to be honest.
LB-Hughes-6 Not 100 per cent sure what he did wrong. Defended ok, a couple of bad passes but otherwise not good not bad, certainly not as bad as some make out.
LCB-Collins-8 Must have read what some of you lot put on here. As I said midweek, Collins used to get the ball down and play it out of defence. Grayson told him not to and he got slated by some of you lot for kicking it into touch. Today he got it down and played it. Won just about everything in the air today. His tackling was superb and he made several timely interceptions with passes that went to Leeds players. (Are you guys aware that the first 2 goals against Portsmouth came from Collins intercepting a Portsmouth attack, getting the ball to a Leeds player and then us scoring in the ensuing move). He was also a threat in the opposition box at our set pieces.
RCB-O’Brien-7 Decent though some wayward passes and he missed several headers. Generally did well though and far better than his first 2 games back since his injury.
RB-Connolly-6 Not a bad game, defended reasonably well though their LB(27) caused us no end of problems. Connolly was far less of a threat for us going forward as Boro removed the link up play and effectiveness of Snodgrass.

DEEP MIDFIELD(2): Woeful. For 60 minutes they either never showed for the ball from deep or were useless when they did receive it. This meant the team went long too often. Lacked any form of discipline or any form of control, until Kilkenny came on. As a whole the 2 starters were off the pace when attacking and even further off the pace when defending. With the wide players snuffed out of the game we needed the central midfielders to dominate the centre drawing in Boro’s wide markers thus giving our wide players more freedom-they failed.
LDCM-Johnson-4 (2 until moved to LB, 6 for last 15 minutes only) Absolute dreadful. Showed no aptitude on the ball. Caught in possession, inactive, poor marking, passing was dreadful (only Schmeichels was worse).
RDCM-Howson-4 As I assume the creative midfielder he almost never showed for the ball when in defence. He was making terribly runs and most of his passing until the last 10 minutes was forward far too optimistically. His marking was lethargic and he was bossed by Boro’s midfielders.
LDCM-Kilkenny-8 Substitute central midfielder that changed the game. Gave us more assured possession with greater control. Made several tackles and tracked well. Was our deepest player on several occasions in the last 10 minutes as we through everything forward at times(worryingly).

ADVANCED MIDFIELD (3): Ineffective. Unable to string together any passes, worked less as a unit and was snuffed out of the game until the last 15 minutes. Wide players snuffed out of the game. The wide men needed the centre to be more effective so that Boro had to be more compact allowing the wide players more room.
LW-Gradel-6 Underused, made a few openings but struggled to be as effective when double marked. Stopped their RTB from making threatening runs and supported Hughes reasonably well. Worked hard.
ACM-McCormack-6 Mixed game. Didn’t link well with the players around him until the last 10 minutes when Leeds (Kilkenny) started to play and we through everything but the kitchen sink at Boro. Huffed and puffed but was disposed or misplaced a number of passes. Looked lively.
RW-Snodgrass-5 Was used more by the team than Gradel but he lost the ball too often and their LB (27 -Bennett) not only had Snodgrass in his pocket, but was also a constant threat down our right hand side(especially when he made the run where he made Snodgrass, Howson, Johnson and then O’Brien look like mugs). Boro showed how to take Snodgrass out of the game.

LW-Sam-6 Substitute LW, on for Gradel. Showed a couple of good touches, but only an outlet for 10 minutes before he went missing . Came back into the game for last 5 minutes but only as an extra body to stretch Boro’s defenders as we lumped it through the middle.
RW-Watt-6 Substitute RW, on for Snodgrass. His pace caused their LB some issues, but only as he was use3d to controlling the slower Snodgrass and Leeds started to pump the ball behind their LB after he came on. Otherwise showed less of his ability than he has.

ATTACK(1): Isolated and only used for long balls for 65 minutes of the game. Dominated by Boro’s aerial presence during a predictable long barrage.
CF-Becchio-6 (+1 for goal, 5 otherwise) Was beaten aerially more often than he got a flick on. The support he received around him was pathetic. McCormack has poor understanding with Becchio. Becchio seemed lost without his wide players as an outlet.

MANAGER:
Grayson-4 Poor game. Stuck to the game plan which was not working for 56 minutes. We lacked any control in the centre of the park. Kilkenny was the obvious omission that would change the game giving us what we were crying for. Correct in bringing Kilkenny on but it came late. Snodgrass was less effective than Gradel IMO. Snodgrass was an obvious worry after his injury. Why Grayson took Gradel off at that time when Snodgrass was a worry I do not know. Eventually Grayson was forced to remove Snodgrass and throw on a player like for like. The goal came from Leeds throwing all but 3 players (including GK) forward. That was not a tactical change it was a move of desperation, to which Leeds gained an advantage.

OVERALL:
a poor game were we failed to control the centre of the park. Boro were not good and we rarely suffered defensively. Defence looked comfortable in the main, even though our midfield was overrun. Worryingly We created almost nothing until we pushed 8 players in front of the ball.

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Kato

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #451 på: Januar 02, 2011, 11:50:48 »
Leste i denne tråden at det ville vært et ran om Leeds hadde vunnet denne kampen. Det viser følgende statistikk at det ikke ville vært:

http://www.middlesbrough.vitalfootball.co.uk/stats.asp?a=226577

Det ville med andre ord vært fortjent om Macca hadde satt sin store sjanse på overtid.

auren

Går ikke an å vurdere en kamp på slike kamprapporter. I 87 min var Boro best. De brente en like stor som oss på en kontring i sluttminuttene. Alt i alt hadde de flere sjanser enn oss. Vi skal være mer enn fornøyd med ett poeng.
« Siste redigering: Januar 02, 2011, 11:53:46 av Kato »
 

auren

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #452 på: Januar 02, 2011, 13:00:18 »
Leste i denne tråden at det ville vært et ran om Leeds hadde vunnet denne kampen. Det viser følgende statistikk at det ikke ville vært:

http://www.middlesbrough.vitalfootball.co.uk/stats.asp?a=226577

Det ville med andre ord vært fortjent om Macca hadde satt sin store sjanse på overtid.

auren

Går ikke an å vurdere en kamp på slike kamprapporter. I 87 min var Boro best. De brente en like stor som oss på en kontring i sluttminuttene. Alt i alt hadde de flere sjanser enn oss. Vi skal være mer enn fornøyd med ett poeng.

Jeg er forsåvidt enig i at det er vanskelig å vurdere en kamp kun ut i fra match stats, men det gir en viss indikasjon uansett. I følge statistikken så vant vi skuddstatistikken 15-5, og jeg vet at enkelte her inne vil hevde at vi dermed vant 15-5 i målsjanser. Det er selvsagt bare tøv.

Jeg er derimot ikke enig at Boro skapte flere sjanser enn oss. Jeg har 4-4 i sjanseprotokollen, og de to største sjansene hadde Leeds (Watts heading på åpent mål samt Maccas heading på overtid). Hvis vi i tillegg tar med at vi hadde flest skudd på og utenfor mål, flest cornere og 57 % av ballinnehavet vil jeg si at det er Leeds som mest hadde fortjent seieren (selv om de fleste sjansene ble skapt de siste minuttene).

Men; det var en elendig fotballkamp som ikke fortjente noen vinnere, så uavgjort er forsåvidt helt rettferdig sånn sett.

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

B-m

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #453 på: Januar 02, 2011, 13:01:10 »
Alt i alt hadde vi flere sjanser enn dem Kato!

Attempts on target

    * Leeds 3
    * Middlesbrough 1

Attempts off target

    * Leeds 12
    * Middlesbrough 4

(Fra BBC)


Men ellers enig med deg.
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who killed Trondheimwhite?

Kato

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #454 på: Januar 02, 2011, 16:18:25 »
1. omgang: 2-0 i sjanser til Boro. Scoringen + udekket skudd like utenfor fra 16-meteren.

2. omgang: Leeds: Skudd fra McCormack, heading fra Watt, scoring, Siste McCormack
               Boro: Skudd fra 10 meter over, supersjanse på slutten.

I beste fall 4-4 i sjansestatistikk, sett med hvite briller.
 

auren

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #455 på: Januar 02, 2011, 17:09:17 »
1. omgang: 2-0 i sjanser til Boro. Scoringen + udekket skudd like utenfor fra 16-meteren.

2. omgang: Leeds: Skudd fra McCormack, heading fra Watt, scoring, Siste McCormack
               Boro: Skudd fra 10 meter over, supersjanse på slutten.

I beste fall 4-4 i sjansestatistikk, sett med hvite briller.


Skuddet som gikk langt over? Watt hadde en ganske stor sjanse som du glemmer her. Stod alene på kanten av fem-meteren men fikk ikke skikkelig dreis på skuddet. Sam hadde også en halvsjanse da han dro seg innover i banen og skjøt like utenfor (dog hadde keeperen full kontroll). Du glemmer også sjansen til Boro etter bare noen få minutter da en spiller bommet på ballen i god posisjon.

Uansett: Vi kan være enige at det var jevnt i sjanser, men at Leeds hadde de to største. 1 poeng er fair synes jeg.

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

Jon R

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #456 på: Januar 02, 2011, 17:22:36 »
Helt greit med poengdeling og 0-0 hadde igrunn gitt et godt bilde på kampen. Kjedelig og sjansefattig i 85 minutter.

Ikke helt fornøyd med Graysons gameplan igår. Med Kilkenny ute blir Howson liggende altfor dypt og vi mister mye av den offensive fremdriften. Syntes også det var merkelig at Max G ble byttet istedet for en åpenbart halvskadet Snoddy som heller ikke hadde dagen. Byttene bedret situasjonen men det skulle f........ meg bare mangle. Uforståelig at Mc Cormack får 90 minutter når vi velger å spille så mye langt. Hadde vært perfekt med Somma de siste 20-30 minuttene, til å plukke opp returballer foran Boros hodesterke men trege stoppere...
Jon R.

auren

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #457 på: Januar 02, 2011, 17:30:05 »
Jeg tror McCormack kommer som en rakett denne våren. Får han bare seg et mål nå så blir det storveis. Anvendelig spiller som også kan brukes på kanten. Han har ikke fått finstilt skuddfoten enda, men vi vet han kan. Ikke meg i mot å satse offansivt fra tid til annen med både Becchio, Somma og Maccern (på vingen). Får vi et rivjern på midtbanen så kan vi også spille i en ren 4-4-2 formasjon også.

auren

"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

Kato

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #458 på: Januar 02, 2011, 17:32:14 »
Noe av det jeg mener ble galt i går:

1. For mye slitne bein basert på lite bytting i et tøft program, Boro med en kamp mindre enn oss i jula.

2. Elendig kollektiv presshøyde. McC og Becchio trykker i perioder høyt mens fireren står for lavt. Gir Arca mye rom mellom oss.

3. Bruker ikke styrken vår i kantspill. Forvalter ikke overtall ut mot kant gjennom sittende midtbanespillere, eventuelt backer. Blir stort sett kanter 1 mot 1. Gradel møtte en overmann i sin back.

4. Innleggskvaliteten helt elendig, her må det terpes.

5. Kvaliteten på egne dødballer forferdelig. Blir vel slik når det er Johnson og Collins som skal være servitører.

6. Opplagt gærn spillestil. Pumper mot Championships beste stopper (Wheater), der vi burde kommet oss rundt på kant. Dermed ingen god dag for Becchio, som stort sett sloss feilvendt. Skaper kun ved tilfeldigheter, gjennom at vi øser fremover med folk på slutten.

7. Håpløst å benke Kilkenny, og la Johnson være en slags playmaker. Det kommer han aldri til å bli.

Lenge siden jeg har sett oss på TV. Basert på gårsdagen er Hughes, Connolly og Johnson langtfra god nok for et lag som pusher mot promotion.

Forstår heller ikke kritikken mot McCormack. Løp og ville mest før pause. Var vel involvert i stort sett alt vi skapte offensivt. Et mål så løsner det der i gården.
« Siste redigering: Januar 02, 2011, 17:34:20 av Kato »
 

Jon R

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #459 på: Januar 02, 2011, 17:51:28 »
Jeg tror McCormack kommer som en rakett denne våren. Får han bare seg et mål nå så blir det storveis. Anvendelig spiller som også kan brukes på kanten. Han har ikke fått finstilt skuddfoten enda, men vi vet han kan. Ikke meg i mot å satse offansivt fra tid til annen med både Becchio, Somma og Maccern (på vingen). Får vi et rivjern på midtbanen så kan vi også spille i en ren 4-4-2 formasjon også.

auren


Jeg har tro på Mc Cormack fordi han viser klart potensiale til å bli en klassespiller. Tror som deg at det vil løsne når han får det første målet.  Jeg synes derfor det riktig at han får mye spilletid, men det tjener verken spilleren eller laget at han får spille 90 minutter på en dårlig dag som igår. Missen hans på overtid var slett ingen tilfeldighet og veldig symptomatisk for hans overall perfomance. Basert på kampen igår og klipp fra kampene blir veldig mye nesten på Mc Cormack for tiden.
Jon R.

GeirO

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #460 på: Januar 02, 2011, 18:04:11 »
Høyst interessant å se- både her på forumet og på Waccoe - hvor uenige vi er om de ulike spillerne har spilt bra eller ikke?

Hva skyldes dette?

Primært er det vel fordi folk har ulike bakgrunn og referanserammer for hvordan spillere skal spille.....kanskje?

Men vi har også den klassiske:
Hvem er best: Han som spilte en dårlig kamp og scoret to mål eller han som spilte en bra kamp men misset to store sjanser.
MOT

samadhi

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #461 på: Januar 02, 2011, 18:13:55 »
Paul Connolly har fått mye skryt for sin innsats i år. Har vært sikkerheten selv som vi har savnet på høyrebacken siden Gary Kelly spilte. På forumet vårt blir han selvsagt dømt etter en kamp på en tv, og konklusjon er at han ikke er god nok.
marching on together,
derudaf forever...

Kato

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #462 på: Januar 02, 2011, 18:20:18 »
Paul Connolly har fått mye skryt for sin innsats i år. Har vært sikkerheten selv som vi har savnet på høyrebacken siden Gary Kelly spilte. På forumet vårt blir han selvsagt dømt etter en kamp på en tv, og konklusjon er at han ikke er god nok.

Hva i all verden mener du vi skal gjøre, Samadhi?

La være å kommentere Connolly til vi har godt nok grunnlag? Med andre ord vente til vi har sett han i en fire-fem kamper på rappen, altså aldri.

Med det fjerner du enhver mulighet for diskusjon ang kamper/spillere her på forumet.

Da lager vi dette forumet til en assosiasjonslek samt Bates-diskusjon.

Jeg gjør mine vurderinger basert på det jeg ser, ikke det jeg hører av banal radiooverføring, eller tominutters høydepunkter, evt kampstats som sier nada.

« Siste redigering: Januar 02, 2011, 18:22:35 av Kato »
 

samadhi

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #463 på: Januar 02, 2011, 18:35:05 »
Selvsagt må vi dømme mye utifra det lille vi ser, men samtidig er det da rimelig at vi tar med oss det inntrykket vi får utifra å lese nyhetssaker. Connolly har stort sett blitt omtalt som vår `unsung hero` denne sesongen, og da tar jeg med dette i mitt helhetsinntrykk av spilleren. At han ikke fremstår som noen åpenbaring i en kamp der hele laget har en dårlig dag, endrer ikke på min oppfatning av han.

Jeg mener at det er drøyt å si at vi må handle inn nye backer, når vi for første gang siden Gary Kellys dager har fått oss en habil høyreback.

Du skal selvsagt få mene hva du vil på forumet, men i dette tilfellet tillater jeg meg å være uenig basert på det jeg har sett og lest om Connolly.
marching on together,
derudaf forever...

GeirO

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #464 på: Januar 02, 2011, 18:38:28 »
Interessant.

På forumet bør vi alle mene noe, og primært på bakgrunn av det vi ser (er et bedre grunnalg enn radio).

Men de fleste av oss ser Leeds noen få ganger i løpet av en sesong. Derfor blir nok "sannhetsgehalten" her på forumet noe dårligere i forhold til våre venner i England som ser laget hver helg eller annen hver helg og vel så det.

Summa sumarum: Grunnlaget vårt er nok litt tynt, ja.
MOT

Jon R

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #465 på: Januar 02, 2011, 19:51:46 »
Folk må ta vurderingene på OEF for hva de er: Mer eller mindre kvalifisert synsing fra folk som er litt over gjennomsnittet interessert i Leeds United.  :)

Vil man ha ekspertanalyser får man se kampene ringeside med feks Egil Drillo Olsen eller Nils Arne Eggen.  ::)
Jon R.

SDalen

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #466 på: Januar 03, 2011, 10:04:53 »
Paul Connolly har fått mye skryt for sin innsats i år. Har vært sikkerheten selv som vi har savnet på høyrebacken siden Gary Kelly spilte. På forumet vårt blir han selvsagt dømt etter en kamp på en tv, og konklusjon er at han ikke er god nok.

Hva i all verden mener du vi skal gjøre, Samadhi?

La være å kommentere Connolly til vi har godt nok grunnlag? Med andre ord vente til vi har sett han i en fire-fem kamper på rappen, altså aldri.

Med det fjerner du enhver mulighet for diskusjon ang kamper/spillere her på forumet.

Da lager vi dette forumet til en assosiasjonslek samt Bates-diskusjon.

Jeg gjør mine vurderinger basert på det jeg ser, ikke det jeg hører av banal radiooverføring, eller tominutters høydepunkter, evt kampstats som sier nada.


Connolly har kanskje vært OK, men frustrende å se at 9/10 inlegg fra BEGGE backene våre går bak mål..
Rogaland whites!

Per-Stian

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #467 på: Januar 03, 2011, 10:54:19 »
Kampen mot Boro var eit samanhengande gjesp i over 80 minutter. Når Watt kom inn, vakna heile laget, vi verka giftige og kunne og burde ha rana til oss tre poeng på overtid ved McCormack. Eg forventar ei heilt anna tenning mot Cardiff, for dette var ikkje ein opprykkskandidat verdig foran eit stort publikum.

Schmeichel 6
Connolly 4
Collins 6
O'Brien 7 MOM
Hughes 4
Snodgrass 6
Howson 5
Johnson 4
Gradel 5
McCormack 6
Becchio 6

Kilkenny 7
Sam 6
Watt 7

SDalen

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #468 på: Januar 03, 2011, 16:19:54 »
Synes Watt var særdeles positiv da han kom innpå, liker gutten! Håper virkelig vi får se med på han og håper vi tar med det positive fra denne kampen mot Cardiff!


MOT!!
Rogaland whites!

sportcarl1

Sv: KAMP: vs MIDDLESBROUGH 1/1 2011, kl 14.00
« Svar #469 på: Januar 03, 2011, 18:58:17 »
Paul Connolly har fått mye skryt for sin innsats i år. Har vært sikkerheten selv som vi har savnet på høyrebacken siden Gary Kelly spilte. På forumet vårt blir han selvsagt dømt etter en kamp på en tv, og konklusjon er at han ikke er god nok.
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jag var över i england under julen och såg matcherna mot pmouth o mboro, och jag tycker inte connolly imponerade, blir lätt stressad om man pressar honom defensivt och har ingen vidare passningsfot, om man jämför med mccartney som spelade pmotthmatchen, så har mccartney  en helt annan speluppfattning och kommer oftare fram på sin kant och ger offensivt stöd åt sin vänstermittfältare