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« Svar #30 på: Mars 23, 2008, 23:40:49 »
   Hvis du vil slippe å bli misforstått, må du uttrykke deg klarere. Jeg har ca. 45 kamper på "min cv", så jeg tror at jeg har lov til å uttale meg her. Var over siste gang i 2006.
  Hvis du kan lese, så skrev jeg ikke noe om stemningen på kampene. Det sier seg selv at en familie ikke skaper samme stemningen som dine hardcore-tilhengere. Men jeg tar til takke med mindre sang og lavere støynivå om du vil, enn det å ha en eneste hooligan på tribunen.
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« Svar #31 på: Mars 24, 2008, 00:10:26 »
Jojo kan jeg være enig i, men uten å forsvare hooligans, så gjør de ingenting for å ødlegge sikkerheten rundt kampene. Og i england er det meste av hooliganismen død etter at politiet tok opp jakten, samt forbedrede anlegg. Så er nok mye farligere å kjøre bil til flyplassen enn å gå på en kamp i england...

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« Svar #32 på: Mars 24, 2008, 09:56:23 »
Trur ikkje Lord-Meta er for vandalisme og vold på fotballkamper, eller kva seier du?

Støtter forøvrig hallghel fullstendig i hans haldning overfor hooligans, forkastelig oppførsel!
COME ON LEEDS !!

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« Svar #33 på: Mars 24, 2008, 11:39:05 »
Jojo kan jeg være enig i, men uten å forsvare hooligans, så gjør de ingenting for å ødlegge sikkerheten rundt kampene. Og i england er det meste av hooliganismen død etter at politiet tok opp jakten, samt forbedrede anlegg. Så er nok mye farligere å kjøre bil til flyplassen enn å gå på en kamp i england...
  Hva vet du om hooligans som tilsier at de ikke ønsker å ødelegge sikkerheten rundt kampene? Tenker du som en hooligan? Jeg tror det blir "farlig" å utelukke noe som helst når det gjelder denne bermen.
  Takk og lov, det er sikrere å gå på kamp i England enn å kjøre bil til flyplassen!
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« Svar #34 på: Mars 24, 2008, 14:30:36 »
Jojo kan jeg være enig i, men uten å forsvare hooligans, så gjør de ingenting for å ødlegge sikkerheten rundt kampene. Og i england er det meste av hooliganismen død etter at politiet tok opp jakten, samt forbedrede anlegg. Så er nok mye farligere å kjøre bil til flyplassen enn å gå på en kamp i england...
  Hva vet du om hooligans som tilsier at de ikke ønsker å ødelegge sikkerheten rundt kampene? Tenker du som en hooligan? Jeg tror det blir "farlig" å utelukke noe som helst når det gjelder denne bermen.
  Takk og lov, det er sikrere å gå på kamp i England enn å kjøre bil til flyplassen!

 
Kan godt være de "ønsker" å ødlegge sikkertheten joda, men det har de ikke sjangs til å gjøre. Med den enorme mengden politi på hest, i bil, på motorsykkel og helikopter. Derfor jeg sier at politiet har gjort en god jobb. Men skjønner ikke helt oppstyret rundt hooligans, har vært på en del kamper, og har tilgode å se noe som helst i form av vold etc. Noe som er meget bra. Med unntak av noen klubber så er det ikke mye igjen av det gamle fryktede hooligan grupperingene i england. Så en god utvikling har skjedd.

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« Svar #35 på: Mars 24, 2008, 14:58:36 »
   Det har skjedd masse positivt mht bermen som møter opp for å ødelegge for menigmann. Vær oppmerksom på at mye kan skje UTENFOR stadion også. Uskyldige kan bli skadet like godt der som inne på kamp - eller heller mer sannsynlig utenfor.
  På omkampen mellom Leeds og Galatasaray våren 2000, var det opptøyer utenfor Elland Road. En gjeng med pøbler hadde møtt opp for å "ta" tyrkerne etter at to Leeds-tilhengere var knivstukket og drept i Istanbul to uker tidligere. Da vi forlot stadion var vi farlig nær pøbelgjengen. Flasker suste gjennom luften, og alle løse gjenstander som kunne brukes som missiler ble brukt. Ikke langt fra Elland Road ligger en pub som heter Wagon and Horse (tar forbehold for korrekt navn). Der hadde de lagt sin base. Stakkars pubeier!
  Selve kampen glemmer jeg aldri, for maken til elektrisk stemning har jeg aldri opplevd. Alle skulle "ta igjen" for tragedien i Tyrkia, men de gjorde det verbalt - slik som både du og jeg ønsker det.
  Jeg synes ikke at man skal være for bastant i å hevde at ikke problemet kan dukke opp når man minst venter det. Før du vet ordet av det kan du stå midt oppi smørja, helt uforskyldt. Jeg kan love at det er en uggen følelse.
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« Svar #36 på: Mars 24, 2008, 17:49:08 »
Jojo selvfølgelig, men så var galatasaray kampen et unntak vill jeg si. Og det er da 8 år siden også. Mye har skjedd siden den gang og tror neppe man vil se slike tilstander igjen på en stund, og takk for det. Man kan ved en sjelden gang havne midt i ett hooligan oppgjør, men da skal man også ha en smule uflax. Heldivis har tilstandene blitt mye bedre siste 10 året osv.
Håper vi får oppleve stemningen Leeds fansen vartet opp med i galatasaray kampen igjen en gang...gjerne i kamp mot Scumchester on 2 år  ;D

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« Svar #37 på: April 28, 2008, 13:40:17 »
Yeovil Town v Leeds United.
No problems, say police


 
POLICE have told the Express this morning that there were "no problems" when Leeds United visited Yeovil Town on Friday.
Despite Yeovil Town's chief executive Martyn Starnes apologising to Glovers' fans for the "larger than acceptable" number of Leeds fans in the home sections of Huish Park, police appear to be happy with how the fixture passed off.
A police spokesman said: "The Football Intelligence Officer has reported that there were no problems."
This comes despite there being a number of scuffles involving Leeds and Yeovil fans on the home terracing during the match and some visiting supporters being ejected from Huish Park.

somersetcountygazette.co.uk

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« Svar #38 på: Oktober 24, 2008, 10:16:44 »
Ikke akkurat god reklame for vår kjære klubb.
Barry er p.t. UKs mest kjente stalker!


Barry George taken to clinic by his sister
LONER Barry George was taken to a psychiatric unit last night by his devoted sister.
The visit to the clinic in Ireland comes days after accusations he stalked Sky News presenter Kay Burley.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1850213.ece

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« Svar #39 på: Oktober 24, 2008, 12:08:44 »
Mildest talt dårlig reklame....og jeg har f.... meg samme jakka hjemme!!! :o
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« Svar #40 på: Oktober 24, 2008, 13:33:06 »
Ikke akkurat god reklame for vår kjære klubb.
Barry er p.t. UKs mest kjente stalker!


Barry George taken to clinic by his sister
LONER Barry George was taken to a psychiatric unit last night by his devoted sister.
The visit to the clinic in Ireland comes days after accusations he stalked Sky News presenter Kay Burley.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1850213.ece

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Jeg har tenkt på å tvangsinnlegge meg sjøl jeg etter den utrolige nedturen vi har hatt de siste årene! DETTE.....er bjørnebær med is!  :D
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Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

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« Svar #41 på: April 10, 2009, 12:00:15 »
Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and Sunderland fans clash at station

Police arrested seven fans from rival football clubs after trouble flared at Peterborough railway station.
Trouble flared on Saturday evening after Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds United and Sunderland supporters travelling home from matches got off at the city's station to change trains.
British Transport Police said there were several separate incidents of "low-level disorder" between 9.30pm and 9.50pm between various groups of fans.
There were about 100 fans on the platforms at the time and the majority were law-abiding.
Detective Sergeant David Strange, one of the investigating officers, said: "Nobody was reported injured, but it's important that we build a clear picture of what took place and I am asking anyone with any information about this incident to come forward and talk to us.
"Anyway with any information that could assist the investigation into the incident is asked to contact British Transport Police free on 0800 40 50 40 quoting incident 616 of 4/4/09."
Seven men aged between 17 and 48 were arrested at the station for public order offences and were taken into custody for further questioning. All seven were bailed to return to police on Tuesday, June 9.
Peterborough Evening Telegraph - a Sunderland Echo sister paper - columnist DJ Kevin Lawrence said he endured "94 minutes of pure hell" aboard a train packed with "thuggish" supporters as he returned from the Norwich City vs Sheffield Wednesday match at Carrow Road.
Speaking today, he said: "The main issue I had was how noisy they were in terms of the numbers of them crammed into tiny little carriages.
"It was like being on a tube train with 95 per cent of football fans singing. They were too rude, too lewd and too boisterous. For the few that weren't fans, it was a hell hole."
He described it as the worst train journey he had ever taken and said he couldn't get out of the station quick enough.

sunderlandecho.com

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« Svar #42 på: August 27, 2009, 08:39:48 »
Fortsatt er vi i toppen av ei liste vi ikkje ønsker å vere på:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olliewilliams/2009/08/how_violent_your_teams_fans_ar.shtml
COME ON LEEDS !!

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« Svar #43 på: Desember 03, 2009, 09:32:55 »
Jail for Leeds United hooligan
A football hooligan wanted over trouble at a Leeds United v Millwall clash two years ago, was finally snared after attending court with a friend who had committed a similar crime.
Garry Holt, 42, of Select Courts, Farsley, Leeds, was spotted by a police officer when he went to Leeds Crown Court to support a friend who was prosecuted for a similar football offence this April.
Holt was arrested and has now been jailed for 12 weeks and hit with a football banning order for six years after admitting affray.
The YEP understands Holt is the last to be prosecuted in relation to the trouble which flared on October 27, 2007.
Other defendants have been prosecuted, landing sentences of between four months and 12 months on guilty pleas.
Leeds Crown Court heard Holt was told to leave the stadium after becoming involved in a fracas where another supporter pushed a steward.
The court heard he was led outside where trouble had flared between supporters and police.
Police dog handlers and horses were drafted in as a gang of more than 100 people gathered.
For the prosecution, Alisha Kaye said: "This defendant is at the front shouting 'come on' to officers. He's shoving forward with the people towards officers.
"Officers described him as being part of a hardcore of fans. Missiles were thrown but the defendant did not throw anything."
The court heard Holt had been a Leeds United fan for 20 years and had never been involved in any football-related violence before.
He said he lost his temper as a police cordon blocked his way and said he did not want to get involved in any confrontation with Millwall fans.
Holt, a dad-of-two, has previous convictions for violence and at the time was the subject of a suspended prison sentence made seven weeks earlier for racially aggravated assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

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« Svar #44 på: Desember 22, 2009, 21:25:24 »
Leeds beat Millwall in banned hooligans table
LEEDS fans are the most banned in Britain, even though arrest figures have fallen, official figures revealed today.
Home Office statistics showed there were 3,752 arrests at matches in England and Wales - a fall of 2% on the 2007/8 season.
Half were for disorder and around a third for alcohol offences. Other arrests were for ticket touting and violence.
Manchester United fans topped the Premier League arrest charts.
Of 1,600 arrests of fans with clubs in the top flight, 185 were followers of the league title holders.
Second was relegated Newcastle United with 144 arrests and third was Everton with 139. Fulham had the fewest fans arrested with just 13.
More than three thousand fans are banned from watching matches. Of those Leeds fans are the worst offenders with 162 coming under banning orders, behind Cardiff City with 124 and Millwall with 110.
International matches involving England or Wales at home and abroad led to 35 arrests.
Policing minister David Hanson said: "Hooligans once blighted our national game, but we now set an example for the rest of the world in how we police football matches.
"I am pleased with the way clubs and police work together, but we must also praise fans for realising violence has no place in the modern game.
"We are not complacent and will carry on working to ensure this success story continues into the future." (YP)

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« Svar #45 på: Desember 23, 2009, 11:56:46 »

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« Svar #46 på: Desember 23, 2009, 11:58:41 »
En skam rett og slett >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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« Svar #47 på: Desember 23, 2009, 14:03:42 »
Enig!!! Stor skam!!!! Det er trist for fotballen generelt og Leeds United spesielt. Et problem vi har slitt med i mange herrens år. En stund var det jo bedre, men vi er altså på topp igjen- pokker ta! Dette er bare til å skamme seg over.

Gudskjelov er de fleste fotballsupportere og ikke idioter som er ute etter en eneste tin....BRÃ…K! Kom dere vekk fra fotballen fordømte hooligans!  >:(
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« Svar #48 på: Desember 23, 2009, 16:17:43 »
Statistikk kan leses på mange måter! Dette kan like gjerne være et utrykk for at Leeds United er den klubben som tar hooliganism mest på alvor! Terskelen for å stoppe bråkmakere kan dermed være lavere enn hos andre klubber. De av oss som bevitnet Fa cup kampen mot Cardiff for noen år siden, vil kanskje huske hvordan en idiot av en Cardiff styreformann nærmest applauderte den hatske stemningen og idiotoppførslen som fanatiske hjemmesupportere fremviste i den direktesendte TV kampen. Tviler sterkt på at noe lignende ville skjedd i Leeds. For noen år siden så jeg en dokumentar om Chelsea hooligans, som viste hvordan profilerte bråkmakere nærmeste fikk ture frem  som de ville , til tross for at klubben var godt kjent med deres agenda når Chelsea spilte kamper. Tviler ikke på at det er mange idioter med hvite trøyer, men denne statistikken forteller neppe hele sannheten.  :)
Jon R.

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« Svar #49 på: Desember 23, 2009, 21:25:12 »
Ikke uventet er møkkalaget pøbelklubb nr. 1

FAKTA
Premier League 2008/09

(Pågripelser)

møkkalaget 185

Newcastle 144

Everton 139

Sunderland 138

Arsenal 133

Stoke 118

Chelsea 102

Liverpool 100

Manchester City 82

Aston Villa 77

Middlesbrough 75

Tottenham 71

West Ham 65

Hull 61

Bolton 50

Blackburn 31

Portsmouth 31

West Bromwich Albion 26

Wigan 23

Fulham 12

Andre
Leeds 127  :-[

Cardiff 89

Millwall 78

Nottingham 78

Sheffield Wednesday 74

http://fotball.bt.no/england/article158022.ece

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« Svar #50 på: Desember 23, 2009, 21:26:11 »
http://fotball.aftenposten.no/england/article158022.ece

SCUM er verst...


FAKTA

Premier League 2008/09

(Pågripelser)

Manchester United 185

Newcastle 144

Everton 139

Sunderland 138

Arsenal 133

Stoke 118

Chelsea 102

Liverpool 100

Manchester City 82

Aston Villa 77

Middlesbrough 75

Tottenham 71

West Ham 65

Hull 61

Bolton 50

Blackburn 31

Portsmouth 31

West Bromwich Albion 26

Wigan 23

Fulham 12
Andre

Leeds 127

Cardiff 89

Millwall 78

Nottingham 78

Sheffield Wednesday 74

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« Svar #51 på: Desember 23, 2009, 23:48:00 »
Leeds har slitt med hooliganism i flere tiår. Dette har det vært jobbet bra med for å få bukt med  de senere år, til tross for disse tallene. Vi må ta i betraktning to faktorer; antall supportere og klubbens terskel og fokus på hooliganism. Antall utestengelser viser klubbenes policy og fokus, mens antall arrestasjoner viser fakta som ofte står i forhold til antall tilskuere/supportere. Leeds har fokus på "bad eggs" blant supporterne, samt en av de største tilhengerskarene i England. Derfor ligger Leeds så pass høyt på statistikken, tror jeg. Men vi må ikke komme tilbake til det ryktet Leeds-fans hadde tidligere, klubben må fortsette det målrettede arbeidet de har gjort de siste årene. Sportslig fokus må stå i sentrum, ikke slåssing og hærverk.  
« Siste redigering: Desember 23, 2009, 23:50:55 av rogak »
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« Svar #52 på: Februar 17, 2015, 17:26:34 »
Fra Leeds vs Millwall 4-2 høsten 2007:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ijE5wmjfJXE

En film om hvordan man kniper football-hooligans!
Min første Leeds-kamp:
Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

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« Svar #53 på: Oktober 18, 2018, 07:42:02 »
Leeds United, racism, and the fanzine which forced change at Elland Road

In Depth

Football supporters sometimes romanticise about the English game in the 80s, but it was also something of an ominous time – with Leeds United and Elland Road being a case in point.



It’s not hard to see why the decade still provokes plenty of affection. It was perhaps the last time the game could truly be considered a working class sport, before the riches of the Premier League, monstrous TV deals and foreign ownership took over.

On the pitch, Nottingham Forest, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Ipswich, Tottenham and Everton won European finals. Six different clubs, including Coventry and Wimbledon, won the FA Cup. Seven different clubs, including Wolves, Norwich, Oxford and Luton, won the League Cup.

Off the pitch, supporters were defining casual culture and style, while footage of oceans of fans toing and froing on the terraces in hysteria remains exhilarating to this day.

But football, as has always been the case, suffered the same sinister problems which faced society as a whole. Thatcherism had fractured the country, particularly the industrial towns and cities of the north, the home to some of the best and biggest clubs.

Hooliganism remained rife, overt racism was common, and the nadir was reached with the tragedies of Heysel, the Valley Parade fire, and Hillsborough.



Another northern club, Leeds United, certainly experienced the bad side of football in the 80s.

The team was largely awful, relegated from the First Division in 1982, and Elland Road was not a nice place to visit.

The club’s hooligan firm, the Leeds Service Crew, had earned a reputation as one of the fiercest around, but possibly the most bleak aspect of the decaying club were the public displays of racism from a section of its support.

Earlier this year, Leroy Rosenior recalled in his autobiography how he and Paul Parker were greeted with Nazi salutes while visiting Elland Road with Fulham in 1984.

As noted by The Guardian journalist Nick Varley in his book Park Life: “The most shocking aspect was really just the fact of it, the unashamed, unpunished, almost unremarkable mass public display. And the revelling in it.”

The atmosphere inside Elland Road was reflected in the city and outside the ground, where on matchdays the National Front would sell Bulldog, their magazine which included the ‘Racist League’, a feature in which a club would move up the table not through winning or drawing matches, but thanks to racist chants and taunts by their supporters.



Those in charge at the club still had to be convinced that action needed to be taken, and fans eventually set up anti-racist initiatives themselves, no longer willing to stand among the vitriolic bile of a section of the support which may have been a minority, but was sickening nonetheless.

This October marks 30 years since the group Leeds Fans United Against Racism and Facism started leafleting at Elland Road, which eventually developed into the publication of the fanzine Marching Altogether.

“There were a few of us who were doing broader anti-racist stuff in Leeds, but those of us who were football fans were going, ‘If you want to do something about racism in Leeds, then the football is the most obvious manifestation of it,’” says Paul Thomas, one of the founding members of the group.

“There used to be quite a lot of violence. These people were quite threatening, if you ever came across them they tried to attack anti-racists. So the first time we went down there we took about 100 people.

“It was virtually word of mouth, any people that were involved in similar stuff, some students came from Leeds Uni, anyone that would come and stand and give out leaflets.

“It was almost meant to be like a show of force. We stood up all along the east stand and it had that impact. People would be walking past going, ‘Have you seen how many there are?’

“That was done just as much for self protection. We weren’t looking to start any trouble and we didn’t want to start confrontation but we weren’t going to be intimidated by them.”



Similar groups were also starting around the country at clubs like Chelsea and Leicester City. Even if they weren’t specific anti-racist campaigns, the burgeoning fanzines all had an overt anti-racist line.

But Leeds United were initially wary of the group, expecting their presence at Elland Road to cause further violence.

“The club and the police were very negative,” Thomas says in his thick West Country accent, earned while supporting Leeds from Gloucestershire in his youth. “I’m sure they weren’t happy with the situation that existed, but they didn’t know what to do about it.

“They thought us coming along was just going to create trouble, and they both went out of their way at first to say we were troublemakers.”

After local politicians facilitated a meeting between the club and the group, Thomas and co were asked to produce evidence that racism was indeed taking place at Elland Road.

“That was the biggest mistake they ever made,” Thomas laughs. “We put this dossier together of stuff we had pulled from newspapers. It wasn’t rocket science at all. It was in different enquiries and we got national press attention. The Daily Mirror ran a really big story on it.

“Leslie Silver took over as chairman and that’s when they asserted themselves at that point. Leslie Silver was a really good bloke. We met him in later years and he was very supportive.

“I think the club just thought, ‘We need to get our act together on that.’ But we did have to force them.”



Rather than preach at fans, Marching Altogether consisted of satirical, humorous content designed to “get people to laugh at racists”, and the atmosphere at Elland Road began to change as a result.

Fans were suddenly emboldened to shout down anyone making racist taunts, while the police began to take a harder stance after members of the Far Right made the mistake of trying to publicly threaten those behind the fanzine.

As rapidly as things were changing, Howard Wilkinson’s appointment as manager in 1988 also helped change attitudes at the club, with the former school teacher often vocal in his demands that the behaviour on the terraces changed while he built the momentum which propelled the club from the doldrums of the Second Division to the top of the First.

Ces Podd was hired as community officer with the remit of showing members of the city’s black and Asian communities they were welcome – and safe – at Elland Road, becoming as influential at Leeds as he was at Bradford, for whom he made a record 565 appearances as a full-back.

On the pitch, Gordon Strachan and Vinnie Jones, two talismans of the side which eventually dragged Leeds into the top flight, reinforced the message. Jones himself would visit the clubs and pubs of multicultural areas such as Chapeltown, becoming a hugely popular figure among those communities.

Perhaps most importantly, black players of the calibre and class of Chris Fairclough were signed, quickly becoming loved by the fans who recognised they had a team and club to be proud of once again.

• • • •



READ: ‘Do You Want To Win?’: How Howard Wilkinson turned Leeds into champions

• • • •

“We were bottom of the Second Division when we started our campaign. Wilkinson took over and four years later we’re champions of England with a multi-racial team and a really positive, rocking atmosphere. It’s a nice story which we’re a minor part of,” Thomas says.

“We wouldn’t try to claim all the credit. Society was changing as well. Attitudes towards racism in society were changing and there were also more black players coming through. Even rave culture started taking some of the aggression out of youth culture.

“But we’re pretty proud of what we did. When you get to us getting promoted and we’re winning the league with Chris Fairclough, Rod Wallace and Chris Whyte, and the fans are behind them, you’re thinking, ‘Yeah, this feels a very different place from four years ago.’”

By Rob Conlon
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Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

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« Svar #54 på: Oktober 27, 2018, 08:47:38 »
Her er det mest om motstandernes hooliganisme:


Phil Hay’s Inside Elland Road: Chants about Jimmy Savile have no place in football and must stop

Phil HayPublished: 09:00
Updated: 09:46 Thursday 25 October 2018

This column comes on the back of a photograph taken at Ewood Park on Saturday but it was in the ether for longer than that and is, quite honestly, overdue. It concerns Jimmy Savile, an individual who football reporters are blessed not to write about but whose name has somehow pervaded the game.


The photo in question captured a Leeds United supporter in the away concourse at Blackburn Rovers, kitted out like Savile with a blue jacket, blonde wig and cigar. To say that dressing like a deceased sex offender crosses a line – the point of the outfit in the first place, surely – would only state the obvious and this is not about one supporter or an isolated image going viral over the weekend. The image, perversely, shines a light on the indifference with which football, and the Championship specifically, gives Savile the time of day.

 Blackburn Rovers v Leeds.'Ewood Park, Blackburn.'United's travelling fans.'20th October 2018.
Blackburn Rovers v Leeds.'Ewood Park, Blackburn.'United's travelling fans.'20th October 2018.
Seven years ago Savile died – seven years next Monday – and still he is the subject of chants at every ground Leeds United have visited this season. The record shows that the club’s travelling crowd are prone to reciprocating, generally without fail, but despite the fool in costume at Blackburn it can be said with some confidence that the inclination to sing about Savile would not be there were his name not being thrown at them. It is a base-level game of tit-for-tat, which no-one seems prepared to disrupt.

So where to start? Originality for one, and the realisation that these chants have had oxygen and impunity for the best part of a decade now. Identity for two, and the weird presumption that connecting Savile with Leeds is anymore cutting than travelling to Madrid and taunting the locals about the UK’s control of Gibraltar. But perspective is the point; the disregard for the extent of Savile’s offences and the very recent consequences of them.

I defer to Ian Holloway on this one, a coach who spent 20 minutes laying into Millwall’s crowd after Leeds played there in 2014 and Savile got some airtime. “Stop and think about what he’s actually done,” Holloway said. “It’s not funny.”

There are, inevitably, victims of Savile’s who travel away with Leeds. I met one a few years ago at Reading. He did not talk in detail about his experience and it was not my place to ask but if the people targeted by Savile ever feel like faceless numbers, rest assured that they aren’t. The allegations against him were so vast that it is almost inconceivable that others don’t sit in the home end of stadiums where Savile is brought up over the course of each season. Has the Championship become hardened to it? Has it gone beyond the point where songs about Savile are fresh enough to cause offence? Or is football too ambivalent to deal with something it should have taken on years ago?

Football has the power to call an amnesty and put these chants to bed. Clubs can speak out, the authorities can take an interest and supporters can self-police.

Phil Hay
These questions are a magnet for whataboutery: counter points about songs relating to the Munich disaster, the trouble United’s support can been guilty of causing – exhibit A: reports of a vandalised tram before last month’s derby at Sheffield Wednesday – or any bone of contention which reminds someone like me that Leeds are not as pure as the snow. But this is about Savile and I would challenge anyone to identify a slur as ubiquitous as the chant about him. I would challenge those who govern the sport to say if they would sit back and let it ride so freely were the chant in question about Barry Bennell (the former football coach sentenced to 30 years in prison for child sexual abuse).

Many of Savile’s offences were committed at Leeds General Infirmary, on patients between the age of five and 75. I’ve been to the hospital twice in the past few months with a number of United’s players (the club are working in partnership with the Children’s Heart Surgery Fund) and having seen the sickness, the vulnerability and the professionalism there, the only conclusion you can draw is that it takes a rare type of degenerate to take advantage in those circumstances. This is best left to those who properly understand the psychology of offenders but it is grim to think of Savile gleaning pleasure from his notoriety or the banter he is inspiring. Would he have wanted this? Only he could say but he is a long way past deserving the benefit of any doubt.

Football has the power to call an amnesty and put these chants to bed. Clubs can speak out, the authorities can take an interest and supporters can self-police. Even without Saturday’s evidence it is obvious that some supporters need to. Just look at the facts: abuse by Savile was reported in Leeds, Manchester, London, Surrey and Middlesex, in more than 20 different hospitals, in schools and in other places where his celebrity let him do as he pleased.

It is a national scandal of modern times, virtually without comparison, and it deserves to be treated as such. The only thing the game should be doing is leaving him to rot.

Min første Leeds-kamp:
Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973