TOMA 2: Nye rykter om eierskifte...

Started by stefan, September 26, 2010, 23:10:25

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Bjorn

Quote from: DenHviteYeboah on September 09, 2016, 22:26:02
Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:18:24
Quote from: Asbjørn on September 09, 2016, 21:59:15
Quote from: Sydhagen on September 09, 2016, 21:38:18

Hvem er Tappin?

Steve Tappin CEO
‏@SteveTappin
Who is the next trophy club for Chinese football investors? #sleepinggiant #LUFC #MOT

Trophy Club?  Hvorfor i all verden har vi lyst til å bli noen kinesiske businessmenns leketøy? Grøsser...  :-\ :-[
Hvilke klubber i PL er ikke eid av noen businessmenn  som har klubben som leketøy..? Den engelske foppallens sjel døde og ble begravet for mange år siden  ;) Kan ikke bli verre enn Bates, GFH og Cellino uansett ;)
Om den har dødd for deg så får det bli på din kappe. Jeg  mener fotballen lever i beste velgående under PL. Bortsett fra noen økonomisk dopa lag. Jeg vil heller ha Cellino enn kinsere. Du får fortsette å tro at gresset er grønnere på andre siden.
Marching On! 4276

DenHviteYeboah

Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:48:00
Quote from: DenHviteYeboah on September 09, 2016, 22:26:02
Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:18:24
Quote from: Asbjørn on September 09, 2016, 21:59:15
Quote from: Sydhagen on September 09, 2016, 21:38:18

Hvem er Tappin?

Steve Tappin CEO
‏@SteveTappin
Who is the next trophy club for Chinese football investors? #sleepinggiant #LUFC #MOT

Trophy Club?  Hvorfor i all verden har vi lyst til å bli noen kinesiske businessmenns leketøy? Grøsser...  :-\ :-[
Hvilke klubber i PL er ikke eid av noen businessmenn  som har klubben som leketøy..? Den engelske foppallens sjel døde og ble begravet for mange år siden  ;) Kan ikke bli verre enn Bates, GFH og Cellino uansett ;)
Om den har dødd for deg så får det bli på din kappe. Jeg  mener fotballen lever i beste velgående under PL. Bortsett fra noen økonomisk dopa lag. Jeg vil heller ha Cellino enn kinsere. Du får fortsette å tro at gresset er grønnere på andre siden.
Nesten alle lag i PL er dopa :)

Bjorn

Quote from: DenHviteYeboah on September 09, 2016, 22:55:41
Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:48:00
Quote from: DenHviteYeboah on September 09, 2016, 22:26:02
Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:18:24
Quote from: Asbjørn on September 09, 2016, 21:59:15
Quote from: Sydhagen on September 09, 2016, 21:38:18

Hvem er Tappin?

Steve Tappin CEO
‏@SteveTappin
Who is the next trophy club for Chinese football investors? #sleepinggiant #LUFC #MOT

Trophy Club?  Hvorfor i all verden har vi lyst til å bli noen kinesiske businessmenns leketøy? Grøsser...  :-\ :-[
Hvilke klubber i PL er ikke eid av noen businessmenn  som har klubben som leketøy..? Den engelske foppallens sjel døde og ble begravet for mange år siden  ;) Kan ikke bli verre enn Bates, GFH og Cellino uansett ;)
Om den har dødd for deg så får det bli på din kappe. Jeg  mener fotballen lever i beste velgående under PL. Bortsett fra noen økonomisk dopa lag. Jeg vil heller ha Cellino enn kinsere. Du får fortsette å tro at gresset er grønnere på andre siden.
Nesten alle lag i PL er dopa :)
I know.. derfor sa jeg under PL. 
Marching On! 4276

Asbjørn

Quote from: Bjorn on September 09, 2016, 22:48:00
Om den har dødd for deg så får det bli på din kappe. Jeg  mener fotballen lever i beste velgående under PL. Bortsett fra noen økonomisk dopa lag. Jeg vil heller ha Cellino enn kinsere. Du får fortsette å tro at gresset er grønnere på andre siden.

Allerede før Massimo overtok oss var vi kjent med denne mafiose manager-eateren, så allerede da fansen omringet bilen hans for å protestere mot McDermott-sparkingen håpet jeg i mitt stille sinn at han innså det håpløse i prosjektet sitt (HÃ...PET om at han hadde lært av årene i Cagliari hadde man jo men det var ikke stort). JEG har ikke sjekket opp mht Radrizzani men han er visst plettfri i sammenligning. OM det er kinesere involvert her er bare på ryktestadiet as of now...
Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

Asbjørn

Petter-Andre:
There's no proof of a SPA being signed so far, but there are ongoing work that strongly indicates a SPA will have to have been signed, as the assumption is that Cellino is now more or less potless, and some of what is happening behind the scenes will require a lot of capital injected.
 
We all know how volatile Cellino is, and though I tend to agree with Aidan that this is now a closed deal, awaiting announcement, I'm still not confident enough to call it. Hopefully, over the weekend, more information will be coming through though, as secondary confirmation of a deal having been completed, at which point I will do my best to spread the word. I doubt much will happen tomorrow as it will be match day, but when you work on deals such as this one, there's really no such thing as weekends, evenings or even nights...
Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

Asbjørn

So it looks like  Andrea Radrizzani  is the main man, but his he backed by the Chinese consortium? That is the question. Net worth $350 about £265m
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiC8PGbnYPPAhVlL8AKHUQRBbgQFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMP_%26_Silva&usg=AFQjCNExBK4KV024vQfpOYvgle_weuExfA&bvm=bv.131783435,d.ZGg
 
Andrea Radrizzani is a Founding Partner and main shareholder of MP & Silva.[22] He is the creative leader, overseeing the company's operations in Asia, Europe and Americas. Born in Rho, Milan's metropolitan area, Andrea Radrizzani got his degree Public Relations from IULM University in 1996. A long-term professional partnership with Riccardo Silva and a sharing passion for sports led them to found MP & Silva in 2004. Andrea has been in the fore front of the media rights company as Group CEO since its beginning. Under his leadership the business has grown to worth $350 million. Andrea Radrizzani is an experienced sports rights specialist[23] and he has personally committed as media advisor to some of MP & Silva’s rights holders partners such as FIFA,[24] the Premier League,[25] the International Baseball Federation (IBAF),[26] Arsenal FC[27][28] and the Spanish Basketball Federation, Liga Endesa.[29] Andrea’s opinion has been requested by the international press to comment on sports rights multi-millionaire deals[30] and new trends in the sports rights global market. He was recently invited to be a speaker at the Doha GOALS initiative.[31] Amongst his area of expertise, Andrea concentrates on digital media rights,[32] football international growth[33] and sports TV growth in the Asian market.[34]
Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

Asbjørn

#816
Litt på update-fronten.

waccoe'eren Nelson7 har siste tiden motsagt en takeover og ment det var snakk om investment. Nå er han på glid, at 'de nye' nok får majoritetseierskap. Og så sier han det er snakk om 'Singapore' og ikke Kina. Petter-Andre på sin side forsvarer Nelson, at han nok har bra kontakter på innsiden, og legger til at Radrizzanis selskap MP Silva ble etablert i Singapore...

Og vi snakker DAGER, ikke uker, nå, tror han. :)

Og da snakker man om KUNNGJØRINGEN, at det allerede er signet...

Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

Asbjørn

Dear WACCOE
 
We couldn't have started our movement without you. So we wanted you to be the first to know.
 
TTGM understand a deal has been agreed for the sale of a majority stake in Leeds United. This is subject only to FL and legal ratification.
 
We want to thank you for your amazing support over the last 7 months. We are now 100% confident that Cellino not only knew about us, but was "not a fan".
 
We did it, and you lot helped us do so.
 
Whilst Cellino remains part of the club (c15%), his influence over the day-to-day running of the club is over. For many, that was the main gripe. The sackings/court cases/treatment of fans.
 
More will follow, and hopefully you can understand we can't answer follow up q's (mainly because we're off to the game/the move a mile). We believe an official announcement will be made in due course too.
 
Don't ever let anybody say fans clubbing together can't make a difference. They can.

Hilsen 'TimetogoMassimo'
Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

Glenn K


Sydhagen

BREAKING: TTGM understands a deal has been agreed for the sale of a majority stake in #lufc subject to FL/legal approval. More to follow.

Nå skjer det!!!!!!!!!
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

Sydhagen

Blir litt spennende å se hvem som er med på kjøpet. Er Tappin med? Kineserne?
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

h.b


Glenn K


h.b

Quote from: Glenn K on September 10, 2016, 10:23:17
Quote from: h.b on September 10, 2016, 10:22:52
Og hvor står denne breaking

Twitter  :)

Denne her regner jeg med. Vel, til og med jeg har Twitter konto jeg kan spre ting på
https://twitter.com/waccoe?lang=en


Andersen

Er dette skal vi kalle det bekreftete sikre rykter, at en takeover er gjennomført !? at nye eiere nå har aksjemajoriteten i klubben !? Cellino har 15% ? Blir vi ikke kvitt den klovnen !? Er veldig lei løse rykter om eventuelle takeovers av klubben nå ! Og vil Monk få fortsette i jobben, hvis en takeover vil bli annonsert over helgen . Vet ikke om jeg skal juble hvis ryktene er sanne , interessen for mitt kjære Leeds er for tiden på et likegyldig lavnivå , drakta bæres , LEEDS FOR EVER ! men likgyldigheten er kommet .

Sydhagen

Dette virker veldig sikkert og at Cellino sitter med 15% betyr nada. Det viktigste er at han vil ha 0 innvirkning på den daglige driften (sparke folk i hytt og pine).
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

Rudi G.

Ã... bruke ttgm som kilde? Seriøst? Hay som vet mest om hva som rører seg i klubben vet ingenting om dette.

Glenn K

Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 11:39:32
Ã... bruke ttgm som kilde? Seriøst? Hay som vet mest om hva som rører seg i klubben vet ingenting om dette.

Ikke bare ttgm som melder dette. Flere andre melder også dette, blant andre Petter-Andre som fremstår som en mann med gode kilder. Klart Phil Hay vet mer enn han forteller, han har vært stille i ukesvis.

Promotion 2010

Spørsmålet er vel om en ny italiener som har et firma som er mindre verd enn Cellinos familieandel i maishandel kan helt plutselig sende vrakgodset Leeds United til Premiere League!?
Min første Leeds-kamp:
Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

Rudi G.

Quote from: Glenn K on September 10, 2016, 11:46:26
Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 11:39:32
Ã... bruke ttgm som kilde? Seriøst? Hay som vet mest om hva som rører seg i klubben vet ingenting om dette.

Ikke bare ttgm som melder dette. Flere andre melder også dette, blant andre Petter-Andre som fremstår som en mann med gode kilder. Klart Phil Hay vet mer enn han forteller, han har vært stille i ukesvis.

Jada, Petter har snakket mye de par siste årene :) Og Hay er ikke den som pleier å holde igjen om det er noe mat.

Glenn K

Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 12:04:37
Quote from: Glenn K on September 10, 2016, 11:46:26
Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 11:39:32
Ã... bruke ttgm som kilde? Seriøst? Hay som vet mest om hva som rører seg i klubben vet ingenting om dette.

Ikke bare ttgm som melder dette. Flere andre melder også dette, blant andre Petter-Andre som fremstår som en mann med gode kilder. Klart Phil Hay vet mer enn han forteller, han har vært stille i ukesvis.

Jada, Petter har snakket mye de par siste årene :) Og Hay er ikke den som pleier å holde igjen om det er noe mat.

Nei, forsåvidt riktig det. Men han benektet ikke informasjonen heller, han sa vel bare at personen han hadde snakket med fra Football League ikke hadde hørt noe om dette. En annen ting som taler for dette her er jo at de som melder om "done deal" i dag er de samme som informerte om at GFH var ute av klubben, mens Hay ikke hadde noe info vedrørende dette før det ble annonsert fra offisielt hold.

Sydhagen

Petter-Andre ‏@petter_andre 4 min4 minutter siden

Sorry for not being able to answer all q's, but this is legit, papers been signed, now pending FL approval, and finalization of a few items.
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

h.b

Quote from: Sydhagen on September 10, 2016, 12:22:19
Petter-Andre ‏@petter_andre 4 min4 minutter siden

Sorry for not being able to answer all q's, but this is legit, papers been signed, now pending FL approval, and finalization of a few items.

FL vil aldri i verden godkjenne dette. Dette fordi de er så fornøyd med måten Cellino driver Leeds på

Sydhagen

Quote from: h.b on September 10, 2016, 12:29:56
Quote from: Sydhagen on September 10, 2016, 12:22:19
Petter-Andre ‏@petter_andre 4 min4 minutter siden

Sorry for not being able to answer all q's, but this is legit, papers been signed, now pending FL approval, and finalization of a few items.

FL vil aldri i verden godkjenne dette. Dette fordi de er så fornøyd med måten Cellino driver Leeds på

Og derfor vil de ikke tillate at han selger klubben...?
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

Sydhagen

Viktig poeng:

LUFC Trust ‏@lufctrust 47 sek47 sekunder siden
I know the prospect of the club having money is intoxicating but competence and a plan is equally important going forward. #lufc
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

Rudi G.

Quote from: Glenn K on September 10, 2016, 12:11:35
Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 12:04:37
Quote from: Glenn K on September 10, 2016, 11:46:26
Quote from: Rudi G. on September 10, 2016, 11:39:32
Ã... bruke ttgm som kilde? Seriøst? Hay som vet mest om hva som rører seg i klubben vet ingenting om dette.

Ikke bare ttgm som melder dette. Flere andre melder også dette, blant andre Petter-Andre som fremstår som en mann med gode kilder. Klart Phil Hay vet mer enn han forteller, han har vært stille i ukesvis.

Jada, Petter har snakket mye de par siste årene :) Og Hay er ikke den som pleier å holde igjen om det er noe mat.

Nei, forsåvidt riktig det. Men han benektet ikke informasjonen heller, han sa vel bare at personen han hadde snakket med fra Football League ikke hadde hørt noe om dette. En annen ting som taler for dette her er jo at de som melder om "done deal" i dag er de samme som informerte om at GFH var ute av klubben, mens Hay ikke hadde noe info vedrørende dette før det ble annonsert fra offisielt hold.

Skjer det så skjer det, håper i såfall ikke det blir verre enn det er, det har vi opplevd før.

Håkon


TOMA på gang, dette kan bli en gledens periode håper jeg og satser på
Større sjanse for at Monk sitter ut sesongen og kanskje lengre.

#cellinoout

#timetogomassimo

Leeds for alltid

rd1

Om dette blir en realitet og vi plutselig vasser i cash. Der er vel ikke overgangsvindu i januar?
"Who needs Cantona??"

Asbjørn

DENNE burde kanskje ha blitt postet long ago - å lese TOMA-tråden (nå #4) er ikke for hvermansen. Da går man seg bort. Sjefsmod Matt på waccoe har utarbeidet denne:

Let me repost this, from TOMA #3 - a summary of the lessons learnt from TOMA #1 and TOMA #2
 

Lessons of TOMAs 1&2 (moderately updated):
 
1. stuff that is true one day might end up not being true the next day. That doesn't mean that those ITK on the first day were making it up, just that shit happens (particularly at Leeds) and stuff changes. 
 
2. people get fed stuff for all sorts of reasons by players higher up the food chain. Sometimes that stuff is true, sometimes near truth, sometimes lies. Usually it is worth paying attention to why something is being leaked at that point and by who rather than whether it is strictly true. A lot of idiots on here never quite understand this - hence for example the moronic hounding of Castles when (whatever you thought of him) there was a lot to learn from what he was saying, and more importantly why he might be saying it
 
3. the more parties to a deal, the more interests and more perspectives, leading to multiple truths at the same time. Inconsistent stories are sometimes unavoidable as a result. Again, thinking about the why rather than the what usually helps. 
 
4. sometimes those acting as excited channels for that ITK info from one side or the other are the least reliable providers of info.  Indeed during TOMA 1 and 2 some might have occasionally reflected themselves on why they were being told stuff to share and why then, but that rarely seems ever to happen as much as you'd expect. Sometimes the excitement and presumed importance of feeling that they are somehow part of the game (rather than a low level pawn being played) means that ITKers aren't always the easiest people to talk to rationally about stuff.  That doesnt mean they aren't worth listening to - but always apply the other rules listed here when doing so.
 
5. LUFC is blighted by villains, twisters and people (some but not all also villains and twisters) having to deal with villains and twisters. So lots of people are probably lying a lot of the time about nearly everything, whether to disguise true intentions, feint, draw fire, destabilise or for sheer devilment. Sometimes a bit of all of them. If you assume all statements made about LUFC and TOMA  are lies and have a go at working out "why is this being said now?" rather than "is this true?" you get closer to what might be going on.
 
6. 97.5% of what you read in TOMA related threads on waccoe is drivel or bollocks, and most of the rest is animated gifs. Occasionally you get a gem of insight, but don't hold your breath and hope. On most important stuff we're playing catch up to understand what has happened, not predicting the future...
 
7. dont trust any f**ker who wants to own LUFC. We are a well proven basket case. So by definition anyone who wants to waste money buying us is (i) a villain out to use LUFC as cover for some vile money extracting scheme or (ii) probably a lunatic. Back in TOMA 2, Together Leeds were heroically trying to establish that there is a third category of potential buyer, Steve Parkin and LFU appear to be doing the same at the moment (maybe).  I am yet to be convinced (but hopeful).  Fan ownership is a brilliant idea and I've put my £500 into LFU.  But, given experience in November dealing with Cellino, perhaps it might be argued that LFU also fall into category (ii), not least because of the appalling obstacles of cynicism and apathy amongst some of our fanbase that need to be overcome.
 
8. all of this also applies to "official statements" - don't assume all that you read means what it appears to at face value.  A good example is the February 2016 financial statement by the club, which places a highly positive spin on possibly not very good figures (the details of which were not published simultaneously).  The correct question might be "why is this being published now?" rather than "is this all true?", not least because the answer to the second question will - inevitably - be harder to get to the bottom of that the first one.
Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan