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stian

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« Svar #1740 på: August 18, 2020, 18:38:28 »
Det går en gammel mann oppe på Thorpe Arch. Han er ikke ansatt i Leeds.....rart ikke klubben viser han bort :o

Bare å anmelde ham i samme slengen, han har åpenbart også stjålet en av de nye treningsdressene.

Lucas the Kop Cat

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« Svar #1741 på: August 18, 2020, 18:38:56 »
Det går en gammel mann oppe på Thorpe Arch. Han er ikke ansatt i Leeds.....rart ikke klubben viser han bort :o
Har han kikkert? Sikkert en som spionerer på oss.

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Sv: Manager / Head coach: Marcelo Bielsa
« Svar #1742 på: August 18, 2020, 19:09:35 »
Avventer han for å se hva som skjer på overgangsfronten før han skriver under ny avtale?

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« Svar #1743 på: August 18, 2020, 19:27:27 »
Gje dokkar med konspirasjonsteoriene :D

Alle 'insidere' på begge sider av bordet sier at dette går i orden.

Om hvorfor det tar tid, slik er bare Bielsa. Her er et utdrag fra gårsdagens Hay som forteller litt om stoda:

...selv uklarheter om hvilke medie-plikter som må til i Premier League kan skape utsettelser

Bielsa is never prone to half measures, even when, as now, he is working without a contract. He has still to sign a deal for next season — holding off until the paperwork is just so — but he looked as committed as ever as training got going at Thorp Arch, out on the pitches with everyone else. His contract will get done, or so all parties say. Leeds just need Bielsa to give them the thumbs-up.

Past experience told the club negotiations about an extension would take a while. It also told the club that their patience in waiting for Bielsa to approve the paperwork would pay off. This is a process with Bielsa, rather than a gamble, and the long and short of the past few weeks is that the 65-year-old is rigid about technicalities and detail. A minor part of the discussions involved the increased media demands he would face in the Premier League. It was no big deal, but Bielsa wanted to know. His people in Argentina say finalising a contract for him is like a “minute-by-minute event” in which everything is picked over and nothing escapes his attention.

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They were back in the old routine at Leeds United last week, with a training session organised for Saturday evening. The squad work all hours with Marcelo Bielsa, not least in pre-season, and his players are in the habit of keeping their diaries clear.
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« Svar #1744 på: August 18, 2020, 20:12:48 »
Signeringen av Bielsa er det siste jeg frykter, den kommer.  Det jeg stusser over er at managmentet ikke tolker det dithen at om dette er ferdig diskutert og signert, så leder det til at enda mer tid og energi kan legges i spillermarkedet. Også at da aktuelle spillere ser at det er i boks med Bielsa. Skriver 18 aug idag og det er 22 dager igjen... snart desperat etter en klasse signering

Hallgi

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« Svar #1745 på: August 18, 2020, 23:58:22 »
Oppsummering av Kinnears kommentarer rundt Bielsas kontrakt fra The Square Ball-podcast. Og kontrakten er ikkje pri 1 for Bielsa, men håper berre de leverer på alt det andre i forkant så Bielsa får det som han ønsker og faktisk signerer. For ja, det hadde gjort godt om han gjorde det snarlig;
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/marcelo-bielsa-contract-leeds-united-18791541
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Erik M

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« Svar #1746 på: August 19, 2020, 12:16:13 »
At det skader overgangsarbeidet er jeg sikker på. Spillere går andre veier hvis agenten ikke vet om Bielsa er med i pakka. Selv om alle sier det årnæ seg så går tiden. Leeds har ikke hatt gode vinduer under Bielsa (heller), men heldigvis gjør han gull av gråstein...
 

Eriksen55

Sv: Manager / Head coach: Marcelo Bielsa
« Svar #1747 på: August 19, 2020, 14:52:06 »
At det skader overgangsarbeidet er jeg sikker på. Spillere går andre veier hvis agenten ikke vet om Bielsa er med i pakka. Selv om alle sier det årnæ seg så går tiden. Leeds har ikke hatt gode vinduer under Bielsa (heller), men heldigvis gjør han gull av gråstein...
 

Liten tro på at dette påvirker overgangsarbeidet. Det er jo bekreftet at han blir værende selv om kontrakten ikke er signert. Han jobber som aldri før på feltet. Agenten er nok mest opptatt av økononi, lite annet. Blir det sagt at Bielsa er trener, så tror ikke jeg dette er noe  de evt nye spillerne grubler på.

Bielsa signerer og nye spillere signerer. Blir bra det her.

auren

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« Svar #1748 på: August 19, 2020, 15:55:05 »
Bielsa har visstnok signert:


https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/leeds-bielsa-rinnovo-premier-league


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« Svar #1750 på: August 19, 2020, 16:07:29 »
Bielsa har visstnok signert:


https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/leeds-bielsa-rinnovo-premier-league


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Særiøse sider du søker info ser jeg. På samme nivå med de som skrev om Ryan Kent :D

Står vel kun at de er enige. Ikke at han har skrevet under. Den infoen har vel Angus, Hay og flere også nevnt flere ganger.
« Siste redigering: August 19, 2020, 16:11:05 av Eriksen55 »

auren

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« Svar #1751 på: August 19, 2020, 17:00:43 »
Bielsa har visstnok signert:


https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/leeds-bielsa-rinnovo-premier-league


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Særiøse sider du søker info ser jeg. På samme nivå med de som skrev om Ryan Kent :D

Står vel kun at de er enige. Ikke at han har skrevet under. Den infoen har vel Angus, Hay og flere også nevnt flere ganger.

Ups. Sjekka ikke denne godt nok. Den ble kastet ut på Waccoe og fikk inntrykket av at det var en troverdig kilde.

Beklager.

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"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
Marcelo Bielsa, 16.01.19, etter Spygate-foredraget sitt.

NT

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« Svar #1752 på: August 20, 2020, 12:05:43 »
Synes alltid det er morsomt med disse kommentarer om Bielsa.  Han er SÅ dedikert, at når Kinnear sier til han at vi må se på kontrakten din, så blir han avfeid med " hæææ, ærru gæern, nei, vi tar det senere, nå øver vi på frispilling i midtbaneleddet...

Leeds chief executive Angus Kinnear said: "He is very, very close. The challenge we have with Marcelo, which was the same last season, is that he's totally fixated on the preparations for the season ahead.

"He's at the training ground every day and he's working with the team doing his analytics. I just need to find the appropriate window to get the paper in front of him for him to sign it but we don't foresee any challenges."

GeirO

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« Svar #1753 på: August 20, 2020, 14:01:37 »
Og nå når han skal analysere Liverpool i 500 timer har han i alle fall ikke tid til å signere. Kan ikke noen skrible en X i signaturfeltet så er det gjort.....

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« Svar #1754 på: August 22, 2020, 19:27:21 »
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« Svar #1756 på: August 27, 2020, 20:11:59 »
...om hva som mangler før Bielsa signerer, fra Athletics podcast:

Key paragraph from Phil's article below. Read between the lines, mate, it's not the ridiculous Kinnear excuse of "can't find the time" he's clearly waiting for something to be sorted (not necessarily signings). I wonder what it is.

"Bielsa’s new contract remains unsigned but both sides of that negotiation say the technicalities involved do not relate to transfers. Bielsa is at the training ground constantly and plans to be on the touchline for the first friendly, whether his deal is signed or not.

He expects Leeds to deliver and his effort in planning for the new season implies confidence in the club’s ability to get it right."
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« Svar #1757 på: August 27, 2020, 20:22:02 »
...om hva som mangler før Bielsa signerer, fra Athletics podcast:

Key paragraph from Phil's article below. Read between the lines, mate, it's not the ridiculous Kinnear excuse of "can't find the time" he's clearly waiting for something to be sorted (not necessarily signings). I wonder what it is.

"Bielsa’s new contract remains unsigned but both sides of that negotiation say the technicalities involved do not relate to transfers. Bielsa is at the training ground constantly and plans to be on the touchline for the first friendly, whether his deal is signed or not.

He expects Leeds to deliver and his effort in planning for the new season implies confidence in the club’s ability to get it right."


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What’s the hold up on this Phil ?
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« Svar #1758 på: August 27, 2020, 20:23:03 »

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What’s the hold up on this Phil ?
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logistics, paperwork, the usual stuff

Last thing that was said on this was there were a few disputes about Bielsa's increased media duties next season.
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« Svar #1759 på: August 27, 2020, 20:50:21 »
Ofrer ikke dette et snev av bekymring engang, helt åpenbart at Bielsa signerer en ett-års kontrakt igjen !!
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Josch

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« Svar #1760 på: August 29, 2020, 13:21:01 »
Kan det være slik at kontrakten signeres 1. september?
Med mulighet til utløp 31.08.2021 , i tilfelle det blir sommerfotball neste år også. Det blir jo ett år.

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« Svar #1761 på: September 03, 2020, 17:24:55 »
Kan det være slik at kontrakten signeres 1. september?
Med mulighet til utløp 31.08.2021 , i tilfelle det blir sommerfotball neste år også. Det blir jo ett år.

Nei, tydeligvis ikke.

Men nå synes jeg det er på tide at den kontrakten blir underskrevet. Blir dette et større spekulasjonstema enn det allerede er, kan det få negativ betydning med tanke spilleroverganger den nærmeste tiden. Tror neppe en spiller som De Paul vil være villig til å skrive under for Leeds uten at det finnes holdbare garantier for at også Bielsa blir værende den kommende sesongen.

Tviler ikke på at Bielsa ønsker å fortsette i Leeds, men NOE er det han og klubbledelsen ikke er helt enige om.
Det har vært spekulert i at Leeds ønsker å knytte han til seg på en toårs-kontrakt, mens Bielsa sjøl insisterer på ett år. Dette synes jeg høres merkelig ut, særlig med tanke på at Radrizzani sjøl uttalte for kort tid tilbake at både han og Bielsa foretrakk å forholde seg till ett år av gangen.

Hva som enn er grunnen: Få det ut av verden fort! Nå vil vi ha stabilitet, forutsigbarhet og fortsatt fremgang.

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« Svar #1762 på: September 03, 2020, 20:11:06 »
Eg er redd det dreiar seg om mediekrav for PL, noko som eg fryktar står utanfor Leeds’ makt å bestemme. Kanskje tida drøyar fordi Leeds forsøkar å forhandle med PL, eller noko i den dur?


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« Svar #1763 på: September 03, 2020, 20:12:44 »
Eg er redd det dreiar seg om mediekrav for PL, noko som eg fryktar står utanfor Leeds’ makt å bestemme. Kanskje tida drøyar fordi Leeds forsøkar å forhandle med PL, eller noko i den dur?

Det er underlig at man ennå ikke har kommet i mål med dette :o

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« Svar #1764 på: September 03, 2020, 20:28:57 »
Eg er redd det dreiar seg om mediekrav for PL, noko som eg fryktar står utanfor Leeds’ makt å bestemme. Kanskje tida drøyar fordi Leeds forsøkar å forhandle med PL, eller noko i den dur?


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Høres ikke utenkelig ut. Treningen går sin gang med ham og nye spillere hentes inn, så ser ut at han skal ha jobben. Det er vel noen regler om at han må stille til intervju før og etter kamper på Sky. Tipper Bielsa ønsker tolk her eller at en annen tar disse intervjuene 100%. Det er jo faktisk flere TV-kanaler som intervjer coachen etter kamper fra sitt studio.


auren

Sv: Manager / Head coach: Marcelo Bielsa
« Svar #1765 på: September 05, 2020, 23:42:19 »
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
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lowfields

Sv: Manager / Head coach: Marcelo Bielsa
« Svar #1766 på: September 06, 2020, 11:12:19 »
Litt spent på hvordan Bielsa vil reagere på resultater denne sesongen. For første gang vil han muligens oppleve å tape flere kamper enn han vinner. Han har vel en tendens til å bli veldig selvkritisk hvis han ikke oppnår resultater over en lengre periode.
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Fantasyland

Sv: Manager / Head coach: Marcelo Bielsa
« Svar #1767 på: September 06, 2020, 14:57:22 »
Ligger det litt mer bak drøyingen av kontraktssignering enn det man skulle tro? Don't shoot the messenger osv, men her er siste fra @EvolvedArtists:

My gut feeling is; he's pissed bcos we offered him a x2 year deal & he stipulated that he did not want to do x2 year deal & he doesn't like his hand being forced. 2nd he's waiting to see who we bring in players wise in this transfer window. He's keeping Radz' feet to the flames!

No i don't think he will walk away, but i do think this is Bielsa in his own way saying to Radz do not piss me off! Deliver what we agreed would be delivered contractually & don't try to change the terms behind my back. Bielsa is nobody's fool and this is him letting them know.

He does & this is what i think has really frustrated Bielsa. I think Radz is nervous that a one year deal might cause problems with other teams coming in for Bielsa if he does well in his first season & so Leeds want to tie him down for longer but Bielsa doesn't want x2 years.

He walked out on Marseilles i believe correct me if i'm wrong though because the bosses at Marseilles actually changing part of his contract after it had been negotiated without his knowledge. Breaking his trust in them. Similarly to this situation here at Leeds it would seem.

Of course Bielsa could think f**k it they've broken my trust like he did at Marseilles & walk out! However he's been with the club x2 years now & i do think there is a level of trust that must exist after that length of time which is reason he's not downed tools and f**ked off.

Personally i think if the contract situation isn't resolved by next Sunday i do think we might be in for a bumpy season with Bielsa not signing a new contract and him just carrying on regardless. But press conferences could become very awkward for everyone involved potentially.

Well that’s what Bielsa has done! He’s said he’s not down for signing a two year deal so the ball is in Leeds court I guess now
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auren

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« Svar #1768 på: September 06, 2020, 15:11:49 »
Ja, det ville vel vært typisk Leeds om Bielsa nå ble frustrert og tar sin hatt og går rett før sesongen starter. Jeg tror jo ikke det skjer, men her må jo bare klubben godta "alt" han krever. Et Leeds uten Bielsa vil mest sannsynlig være i bunnstriden kommende sesong. Her kan vi ikke ta noen sjanser! Dette er sommerens viktigste signering!

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« Svar #1769 på: September 06, 2020, 15:24:49 »
...jeg tar med litt til mht Bielsa og hva EvolvedArtisits skriver... (fra i går)

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Do you know if a 1 year deal is on the table mate? And if so do u think he’ll accept it?

I think it was just the two year deal that was sent to Bielsa & his agent. I haven't heard Leeds have tabled an amended one year deal bizarrely. I do think the board got ever so slightly carried away with things but its kinda backfired. Now everyone is really nervous about Bielsa

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What that he may not sign a new deal

This is Bielsa folks! He is crazily unpredictable & takes no shit. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't sign a new contract but carried on regardless the way he is doing now. I do think the board have misjudged Bielsa when it came to the contract being amended without his say so!

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Rad should know Bielsa only does year contracts

He does & this is what i think has really frustrated Bielsa. I think Radz is nervous that a one year deal might cause problems with other teams coming in for Bielsa if he does well in his first season & so Leeds want to tie him down for longer but Bielsa doesn't want x2 years.

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