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Sheridan

Ikke mer mas on Boothroyd nå, Veteranen...dette er ett LEEDS forum  ;D

veteranen

Quote from: Sheridan on October 27, 2007, 18:34:18
Ikke mer mas on Boothroyd nå, Veteranen...dette er ett LEEDS forum  ;D

Ja, dette er et Leeds-forum - og derfor er mitt "mas" relevant.

"Problemet" er bare at jeg, som vanlig, er noen år forut for min tid.  ;)

Sheridan

Quote from: veteranen on October 27, 2007, 18:41:09
Quote from: Sheridan on October 27, 2007, 18:34:18
Ikke mer mas on Boothroyd nå, Veteranen...dette er ett LEEDS forum  ;D

Ja, dette er et Leeds-forum - og derfor er mitt "mas" relevant.

"Problemet" er bare at jeg, som vanlig, er noen år forut for min tid.  ;)

Herlig  ;D

lojosang

#333
Quote from: veteranen on October 27, 2007, 00:59:32
Quote from: Jon R on October 27, 2007, 00:43:05
Tenkte mer i retning av De Tre Wise Menn, veteranen.  ;D

Når du sier det så!  ;D

Bedre på engelsk: Three wiseguys.

Treffende med tanke på trådtittelen også.

Ellers har jeg ikke hørt mye positivt om Mike Newell fra Luton-fans. Ryktene sier han flere ganger ble bortvist fra treninger fordi han var full som ei alke, og at han fungerte mer som drikkekompis enn manager for spillerne.
- Leif Olav

Boxman

Passer jo ypperlig i Leeds han da....  ;)
Proud to be Leeds!

kjelvi

Dennis Wise has said he only took the Leeds job to do Ken Bates a favour.

Fra Daily Express

fmtj

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leeds-united-news/Wise-in-for-the-long.3494377.jp

Wise planlegger å bli lenge iflg. hans uttalelser i YEP!!! Men, det er noe rart, veldig ofte når fotballfolk hevder dette forsvinner de kort tid etterpå! ???
Yeboahs vitne

veteranen

#337
Quote from: kjelvi on November 16, 2007, 09:48:12
Dennis Wise has said he only took the Leeds job to do Ken Bates a favour.

Fra Daily Express

Ja, han ofret seg ved å gå fra storklubben Swindon Town, til lille, ynkelige Leeds United.  :P

Wise forblir manager i Leeds sålenge Bates eier klubben. I motsetning til mange andre så er ikke jeg særlig overbevist om at Bates har ønsker eller planer om å selge klubben i løpet av de nærmeste årene. Så sånn sett er jeg fristet til å si at Wise forblir klubbens manager så lenge Bates er i livet!

Jeg må faktisk være ærlig og si at selv etter mer enn ett år i jobben, så har jeg fremdeles ikke klart å venne meg til tanken om at Wise skal være vår manager "in the long run". Da jeg under kampen mot Hereford observerte den lille ADHD-knotten som satt på tribunen og vrei seg på stolsetet - med "redface" ved sin side - så kjente jeg nok engang at det strittet imot rent følelsesmessig hos meg. Det er mulig at det er meg det er noe galt med, men det er nå engang sånn jeg føler det...

auren

Quote from: veteranen on November 16, 2007, 13:26:11
Quote from: kjelvi on November 16, 2007, 09:48:12
Dennis Wise has said he only took the Leeds job to do Ken Bates a favour.

Fra Daily Express

Ja, han ofret seg ved å gå fra storklubben Swindon Town, til lille, ynkelige Leeds United.  :P

Wise forblir manager i Leeds sålenge Bates eier klubben. I motsetning til mange andre så er ikke jeg særlig overbevist om at Bates har ønsker eller planer om å selge klubben i løpet av de nærmeste årene. Så sånn sett er jeg fristet til å si at Wise forblir klubbens manager så lenge Bates er i livet!

Jeg må faktisk være ærlig og si at selv etter mer enn ett år i jobben, så har jeg fremdeles ikke klart å venne meg til tanken om at Wise skal være vår manager "in the long run". Da jeg under kampen mot Hereford obserte den lille ADHD-knotten som satt på tribunen og vrei seg på stolsetet - med "redface" ved sin side - så kjente jeg nok engang at det strittet imot rent følelsesmessig hos meg. Det er mulig at det er meg det er noe galt med, men det er nå engang sånn jeg føler det...

Her var du litt uheldig i formuleringen vettis.. forsiktig med språkbruken ::)

auren
"Guardiola said: 'You know more about Barcelona than I do!'"
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Sheridan

#339
*Wise in for the long haul*

*DENNIS WISE VIL GI "THE YOUTH" SJANSEN I LEEDS UNITED*

DENNIS WISE believes homegrown players are the key to Leeds United's future success and says he is planning to be at Elland Road for the long haul to see them make the step up. The United boss hailed his rising young stars and insisted he had no plans to follow former assistant Gus Poyet out of the exit door. Wise singled out defenders Paul Huntington and Ben Parker, along with midfielder Jonny Howson, for special praise and called on England Under-21 boss Stuart Pearce to come and watch them in action. But he stressed any players showing the potential would be given the opportunity at Leeds. The manager has used the recent Carling, FA and Johnstone's Paint Trophy competitions to give the likes of Huntington, Parker, Howson, Tomi Ameobi, Simon Madden, Scott Gardner, Rob Bayly and Fabian Delph game-time and the chance to be involved with the first team squad.
Occurs

Wise said: "If I look at the group of youngsters I've got, those three (Parker, Huntington and Howson) are slightly ahead of the rest and are coming on in leaps and bounds. They are starting to put pressure on the rest and that's what I want. It doesn't say they are going to get picked, but it tells me that if the opportunity occurs they are not going to let me down. Simon Madden came in and did very well against Bury but I have got a few youngsters like that â€" Scott Gardner is another, and Frazer Richardson, who is going to be my main right-back. I think Simon needs games and to go out on loan and play. I think that is something which will be of better benefit for him. I have tried to freshen things up by using the cup competitions but still fielding a team capable of winning the game."

Wise admits one of the chief reasons for his summer clearout following United's relegation was the fact he prefers working with young players, and said he is trying to build something with them at Leeds.

He said: "I got rid of a lot of the old ones at the end of last year and kept hold of maybe one or two older ones who I felt were the right players to keep. But it's good to see some young ones coming through, it's what a lot of managers, I think, are looking for â€" these young athletic players who are looking to better themselves in the game. They will sit and listen to you and want to learn, whereas a lot of older ones get set in their ways and think they know it all when perhaps they don't know as much as they think. I want to try and give the young ones chances. If they perform then I don't care how old they are, they will get the opportunity."

Wise said he was reluctant to get involved in the current debate on quotas in squads but insisted there were enough good young English players around.

"I don't really want to go into quotas. There is a mixture and that is what happens. We are not short of quality English players, it just depends what league you are in. If you are in the Premiership then you want to see the best players in the world, but as you go down slightly you can't buy all the best players so you have to work with English players and sometimes they will get spotted. It has happened a couple of times with Leeds. We have had good young players who have been snapped up by a couple of good teams who have paid money for them and unfortunately sometimes you can't stop that. We just have to keep working with the youngsters and hopefully we will be in position where we don't need to get rid of them because they are important to us."

And Wise insisted that he was not interested in being snapped up by another club either, despite a number of current managerial vacancies in the Premier League and Coca-Cola Championship.

He said: "We knew it was going to be hard when we got here. The club was not in a nice situation. We knew it was not a nice group of players and it needed to be sorted out, and that's why we came here â€" because we like trouble I think! I knew I was going to take some stick, but that would not be the first or last time and it has never bothered me. I worry more about achieving. When I first arrived I was very defensive."

Having ridden out the storm, the Football League's 15-point deduction and the Chelsea antipathy, crowds have boomed and the United fans have warmed to him thanks to the side's brilliant start to the season. But Wise has been in football long enough to know that he needs to keep his feet firmly on the ground.

"I haven't done anything yet," he declared. "Don't get carried away at the present moment because we have crept up the league. There are 31 games to go â€" we can still get relegated â€" let us take it a bit at a time. When you get carried away you can get kicked where it hurts and I don't want that. When I took stick I tried to stay the same and I am trying to do the same now. I've got a job to do here, whether it is Batesy or not I am here. Gus felt it was something he wanted to do (at Spurs) so good luck to him, I am fully behind him."

But having seen the potential at Elland Road, Wise says he will not be hot-footing it back down south at the first opportunity.

He said: "There is a lot of difference between Swindon and Leeds United Football Club. I got offered something in a higher league when I was at Swindon and I didn't take it. I wasn't interested. But this was something different. This is Leeds United, a massive football club, and you've got to look at it in that way. Not that it's in League One but where it can go, and everyone knows where it can go and what the fans are like. If you are comparing it to a Championship side that gets 25,000 and that is all they will get and this club can get 40,000 then it is massive â€" everything about it. It is somewhere you start and try and build something. I came here as well because of Ken Bates and my relationship with him. He needed some help and he asked me to come and help him so I have. "I'm not going anywhere, I've got a job to do here."

Jon R

Nok snakk om å satse på de yngste gutta. Dette har vi hørt før! Nå må Wise vise at han tør å satse på de unge også i kamper som "betyr" noe!  :)
Jon R.

kjelvi


Asbjørn

Quote from: kjelvi on November 16, 2007, 17:14:32
Talk is cheap!
Du kom meg i forkjøpet der, Kjell Bjørn  :)


Men... Wise skal uansett ha for sesongen 07/08 så langt! Og han sier de rette tingene. Hadde han ikke hatt "rullebladet sitt" ville jeg nok ha omfavnet ham de luxe...   :)

Det er "godt å se" at han har "turt" å benytte cupkampene som han har...  Men, om vi ikke "får igjen for det" i serien har det jo bare vært fatalt...

Om vi fortsetter høstens seierstrend i serien nå, så glemmer vi cup...ehh fadesene fort. Hvis ikke, så ehh er vi verre stilt.

For øvrig deler jeg for tiden Kato & co's optimisme for den nære fremtid - og "skyver foran meg" antipatien for det ledelsen vår står for...

Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

flynn

Positivt at ambisjonen uttales er det jo uansett, men enig i at det bør vises i praksis snart. Vi får jo se nå da, hvor lenge det går før Hughes sendes tilbake som høyreback, eller det lånes inn en erfaren spiller til erstatning for Clapham. Tror nok Parker får sjansen, men det er trolig kort vei ut av laget igjen om han ikke leverer stabilt godt fra dag en.

flynn

HåvardK

Quote from: Sheridan on October 27, 2007, 18:34:18
Ikke mer mas on Boothroyd nå, Veteranen...dette er ett LEEDS forum  ;D
Helt riktig, Shez. Ikke to, tre eller fler. Bare ett.

Asbjørn

Quote from: HåvardK on November 16, 2007, 21:39:50
Quote from: Sheridan on October 27, 2007, 18:34:18
Ikke mer mas on Boothroyd nå, Veteranen...dette er ett LEEDS forum  ;D
Helt riktig, Shez. Ikke to, tre eller fler. Bare ett.

Dette skjer jo i ett sett, Håvard... at man har et eller annet å skrive om, altså... Og det meste går i ett med omgivelsene. Men bare et lite stykke... At det er ett tallord eller et (evt en) artikkel det er snakk om... Just the same, only different.

Men Booty er både ett menneske, og et menneske, det tror jeg vi kan enes om...

Tell me - I've got to know
Tell me - Tell me before I go
Does that flame still burn, does that fire still glow
Or has it died out and melted like the snow
Tell me  Tell me

Dylan

chief

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/25448/Christian-s-grateful-for-Wise-man-s-help

En kar som skryter av Wise for hans menneskelige egenskaper.

Ingen tvil om at Wise har noe som mange andre managere mangler.
1 4 all and all 4 1

Dennis

Du banner nok for halve kjerka her inne der, chief!  ;)

Det er artig å tenke på at vi sitter her ved tastaturet vårt (på toppen av pidestallen) og dømmer folk som vi aldri har møtt i person, langt mindre kjenner, nord og ned eller som genier. Men moro er'e lell!  :D
Marching on together!

Roy

Quote from: Mr Kaizer on November 17, 2007, 09:15:02
Du banner nok for halve kjerka her inne der, chief!  ;)

Det er artig å tenke på at vi sitter her ved tastaturet vårt (på toppen av pidestallen) og dømmer folk som vi aldri har møtt i person, langt mindre kjenner, nord og ned eller som genier. Men moro er'e lell!  :D

Det er jo noe av grunnen til at vi er her  ;D
Stand up and sing for LEEDS UNITED

kjelvi

Di Matteo: Leeds United have right man in Wise



Roberto Di Matteo believes Dennis Wise is the right manager at the right time for Leeds United.
Di Matteo, who will play against his former Chelsea team-mate in a charity match in Manchester on Sunday, insisted he expects Leeds to climb out of League One at the first attempt in May after watching Wise fight his way through a storm of scepticism last season.
United will resume their league campaign in fifth position when Port Vale visit Elland Road next Tuesday, and Di Matteo said: "It looks like Leeds will go up this season. Dennis has done a great job for them just when they need it.
"I know about the rivalry between Leeds and Chelsea, and I know that Leeds don't really like Chelsea. That's probably partly why he had a tough time last season.
"But the past is the past. It shouldn't stop you from taking on jobs that you really want. He'll have expected to be judged on results and that's how it should be."

YEP

Jon R

#350
Quote from: Mr Kaizer on November 17, 2007, 09:15:02
Du banner nok for halve kjerka her inne der, chief!  ;)

Det er artig å tenke på at vi sitter her ved tastaturet vårt (på toppen av pidestallen) og dømmer folk som vi aldri har møtt i person, langt mindre kjenner, nord og ned eller som genier. Men moro er'e lell!  :D

Wise sitt dårlige rykte har han i høyeste grad vært med på å skape selv. I fjor ble han "dømt" utfra hvordan han handlet i enkeltsaker, men først og fremst ble han dømt utfra resultater. Nøyaktig det samme skjer i år, men denne gangen er karakteristikkene for det meste av motsatt karakter. Det er kort vei fra himmel til helvete og tilbake igjen, i fotball. Bare spør Billy Davies. I bunn og grunn handler det hele om sterk lidenskap og da blir verden gjerne litt sort/hvit, for å si det mildt.  ::)

Det er da bare flott at folk skryter av Dennis Wise og balanserer bildet og "myten". Dennis Wise er i mine øyne den mest sammensatte og fascinerende personen som har ledet Leeds United siden Don Revie. Og jeg tviler ikke et sekund på at han er en god man-manager for folk han liker:o
Jon R.

Erik M

Og det har aldri vært flaut å være på gli, Jon. 
 

Runar

Wise sin tid i Leeds har vel vært det man kan kalle surrealistisk for spillere, fans og Wise selv. Nedrykk, spillere som var i toppen året før, poengreduksjon osv......

Det som blir litt avgjørende for meg i min vurdering er hvordan resultatene utvikler seg fram mot nytt år. Vi har hatt en down periode med mye tap i det siste (selv om noe av det har vært cup) og dersom den Wise skal være en manager man kan regne med så klarer han å øke seriersrekken fram mot januar. Hva som skjer i Januar vil jo tiden vise, men for nesten ta en mnd av gangen i nedømmelsen av Wise.
 

Sheridan

Peter Hot-Shot Lorimer:

We were up against a big, strong side on a long unbeaten run and they must have thought they had it in the bag with their late goal. But, as many teams have done, they reckoned without United's staying power and the kind of tactic which makes Dennis Wise a rare breed in the managerial ranks. One of the things that has impressed me most about his leadership skills is that where many will happily settle for a draw he simply doesn't entertain the idea.

He wants to win games and finishing with four strikers on the park not only surprises the opposition, it can pay huge dividends. At Walsall the last-gasp goal actually came from the midfield battalion and this time it brought the one point and not all three. But their insistence on playing right to the final whistle is throwing up huge bonuses in terms of points on the board, and long may that continue



kjelvi

Exclusive: 'I was always confident in Dennis Wise' - Ken Bates


Ken Bates has total confidence in manager Dennis Wise to fulfil Leeds' promotion hopes

WHEN Leeds United were hit with a 15-point deduction during the first week of August, the commonly held belief both inside and outside the city was that a promotion challenge was out of the question.
Such pessimism was understandable as, before a ball had been kicked, the Elland Road club were rock bottom of League One and five wins away from zero.
Dennis Wise, after the other 71 Football League clubs had upheld the original penalty, memorably described it as not so much a kick in the unmentionables, as having them cut off completely.
The club's slide, both the bookmakers and pundits agreed, was surely not over yet with Leeds needing to show near play-off form just to stay out of the relegation zone.
One man who did not subscribe to the doom and gloom was chairman Ken Bates with the presence of Wise, pictured right, in the dugout behind his optimism.
Speaking exclusively to the Yorkshire Post, Bates said: "I know Dennis very well so was always confident.
"He deserves a lot of credit for what has happened. What people forget is that we only got our share (in the League) back five working days before the season started. It gave him no time to sign players.
"He had an awful lot of players â€" who I can't name of course â€" lined up but because these guys are not rich superstars and they have mortgages to pay, they had to accept offers elsewhere. There were three really good players who we could have got for nothing, and we lost them.
"A few were good as gold, such as (David) Prutton who we couldn't pay, and what happened created a real bond.
"You can see that with the huddle they do after each game â€" they all have a kiss and a cuddle, and God knows what else â€" I shudder to think. They do not do it as an exhibition, but because they really are together. Dennis can trust them.
"We asked if he wanted to put them in a hotel before Hartlepool on Christmas night, but he said he trusted them to prepare properly at home. There are not many managers who can say that. It is tremendous."
Bates's optimism proved well-founded with a start that yielded 37 points from the opening 13 games dramatically thrusting United into the promotion race and by Boxing Day they topped the division â€" albeit only for a couple of hours due to kicking off against Hartlepool at lunchtime.
Results have been mixed since but even allowing for Saturday's 1-0 defeat to Doncaster being a third reverse in six outings, Wise's side sit just two points adrift of the automatic promotion places.
The turnaround in fortunes at Elland Road has not been restricted to on-field matters, either, with the club emerging in healthy shape after the trauma of last summer's administration.
Bates, who yesterday celebrated his third anniversary of taking over United, said: "Any anniversary provides an opportunity to look back and this time last year, we were facing relegation with an over-paid team.
"Now, we are running for promotion with a young and ambitious team. We are now building, not fire-fighting.
"If I look back to the day I arrived, the club was over-staffed, people were over-paid and there was no one responsible for getting it right. People were content just to jog along.
"It took longer than I thought to change that attitude. Basically, we did it by getting rid of people who can't do and bringing in those who can do.
"The administration helped. It gave us a clean sweep and a justifiable reason to change things. We have not quite finished, there are a few tweaks to do. But I am now comfortable that money is being spent wisely and people are looking at how to save things.
"Leeds are in good hands, there is a solid base and that means I can think of other things."

As Bates revealed in Friday's Yorkshire Post, those"other things" include building a new West Stand to complement a planned development featuring hotels, shops and a restaurant on the opposite side of Elland Road.
He said: "We have to utilise the land 365 days per year. It is why we are putting our first pop concert on this summer when we will be able to accommodate 30,000 to 40,000 people. If Wembley can do it, so can we. What I will stress is we are careful in choosing what we do. There have been suggestions of ground-sharing with the rugby, but we are not into that. If we are going to build a reputation for playing great football, we need a perfect surface.
"We will stage the World Club Challenge (when Leeds Rhinos face Melbourne Storm) but we have done it in such a way that we have 10 to 12 days afterwards to get it right."

YP

RoarG

At Bates roser Wise er jo som ventet. De har lang fartstid sammen, og KB ansatte som kjent DW. Han kan jo ikke akkurat innrømme feil heller.
"Jeg tror ikke på Gud, men etter Bielsas ansettelse må jeg nok revurdere", Roar Gustavsen, januar 2020

Jon R

Hvis vi taper terreng ift topp to plassering utover våren, vil det nok komme mer av det samme fra Ken Bates. Han vet at presset på Wise bare vil øke etterhvert  som sesongen skrider fremover og  "hypen" rundt de nye signingene har skrudd forventningene opp ytterligere. Reaksjonene etter hjemmetapene mot Oldham og local rivals Doncaster, er bare forsmaken på hva som er i vente. Timingen for Bates` siste "support Dennis Wise "utspill, var derfor neppe tilfeldig.  ::)
Jon R.