Litt mer Cellino historie, for de som vil vite litt mer:
hasitgoneup wrote:
moscowhite wrote:
You also stated something as fact. Why do I have to back up what I say, but you don't?
hasitgoneupyet wrote:
This isn’t someone who has earned his money from pushing numbers around on a computer screen or chasing the latest boom. In fact I suspect he’ll know more about hard physical graft than many on here.
You prove that.
As an aside, you'll notice I quite happily and quickly shared information when Musta asked for it, because he wasn't being a pedantic and barely tolerable prick.
It’s all in the link that you posted.
http://ingegnie.altervista.org/Cellino.htmlCellino earned his money helping to build a proper company that does real stuff. It produces food, for people to eat.
I do suspect he knows a lot more about hard physical graft than many on here. The reason for this is his age, and the age of the company. I suspect that when he was in his teens and the company was relatively small he would have worked long hours in every aspect of the business, including lifting, carrying and fixing. I suspect many on the forum don’t have that experience.
Back over to you – Please provide the information, that you state you have in your possession, that “Massimo Cellino was born a multi-millionaire"
FWIW.
Not a huge amount on the origins and size of Ercole's wealth. >Best I've been able to find is that in the 50's he set up a business buying up all the grain he could get his hands on from the very fertile Campidano region of Sardinia and transforming it in the family's mill under the business name Sem e' ( Seeds and ... about the best translation of that). He certainly worked his stones off driving a truck around the region himself to save on transport costs.
He was rich by the time Max came along, not only from this business, but his wife also had a deal of money from her family's hotel business.
This is Sardinia in the 50's, not a rich part of the world. Even so, it's hard not to reach the conclusion that they were Lira millionaires (not that a million Lira was ever anything great), certasinly very wealthy indeed in comparative terms for the place and time.
Max was the eldest son of a rich family when he was born, no doubt about that.
By the time he was taken into the business the family were certainly millionaires in any currency you like. By that time the business was flourishing and I don't see any evidence that Max was put to sweeping the warehouse floors. Rather the contrary, he'd been sent to Australia to "get his bones", so Ercole had no intention of making him do it again in Sardinia. What he did in Australia I have been unable to ascertain.
Concusion:
He's the oldest son of a family that was wealthy wen he was born, and has since become very wealthy indeed, there is no evidence of him doing any manual work anywhere at any time, afaik.
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Re: Massimo Cellino & Family
by moscowhite » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:25 pm
hasitgoneup wrote:
moscowhite wrote:
You also stated something as fact. Why do I have to back up what I say, but you don't?
hasitgoneupyet wrote:
This isn’t someone who has earned his money from pushing numbers around on a computer screen or chasing the latest boom. In fact I suspect he’ll know more about hard physical graft than many on here.
You prove that.
As an aside, you'll notice I quite happily and quickly shared information when Musta asked for it, because he wasn't being a pedantic and barely tolerable prick.
It’s all in the link that you posted.
http://ingegnie.altervista.org/Cellino.htmlCellino earned his money helping to build a proper company that does real stuff. It produces food, for people to eat.I do suspect he knows a lot more about hard physical graft than many on here. The reason for this is his age, and the age of the company. I suspect that when he was in his teens and the company was relatively small he would have worked long hours in every aspect of the business, including lifting, carrying and fixing. I suspect many on the forum don’t have that experience.
Back over to you – Please provide the information, that you state you have in your possession, that “Massimo Cellino was born a multi-millionaire"First of all, I should not have written "born a multi-millionaire," because as has been pointed out I don't have the Cellino family bank statements to hand. It was a hyperbolic statement written in disbelief that anyone would think Cellino had a hard-scrabble upbringing. If I'd been writing more carefully - and expected to be held over hot coals about it for two days - I'd have said, "Born into a family so wealthy that there is no evidence I am aware of that supports the idea that he knows a lot about hard physical graft." Point conceded, congratulations.
Here's how I understand the life story, as told first of all by Massimo's sister Lucina.
Ercole [Massimo's father] was born to a wealthy family, but his father Benvenuto, bon vivant , has left only debts.
So the Cellinos, going back two generations, are described as a wealthy family. However, there are a lot of debts left for 20 year old Ercole to deal with after his father's death in 1957 - and the problem of Massimo's birth in 1956. If I were to be pedantic, I could point out that thanks to his grandfather (and whoever came before him), Massimo was born "into a wealthy family" - how much wealth I don't know, and how much was built on debt, I don't know. But it's there: 1956. Wealthy family. Massimo born.
Fortunately for Massimo's father, as he deals with the debts, there are three motoring businesses to make money from and keep the family status up, although I imagine at a young age this was hard work.At 20 he [Ercole] was already head of the family, with a brother 13. In Mondovi [he] runs a
driving school, a
showroom and a
petrol stationAfter a year of that, in 1958, he seems to have given up the business ("left everything to the shareholder") to satisfy his "passion for agriculture." Fortunately, his uncle's wife owns a grain mill, so he goes to work there for a while driving a pickup truck, before starting his own business.
After a year of marriage, aided by the pain of Fanny Sardinia [I think this means his wife was homesick], the couple moved to Sanluri, where Ercole is working with his uncle's wife, Stanislaus Silesu (Lauccio). For some time, delivers the Campidano driving a pickup truck, buying grain, but soon started his own: "He always had a great enthusiasm, but he was also modest, balanced. And generous. When he moved to Sardinia, he left everything to the shareholder."
It's hard to follow the significance of the milestones in the company building, but Lucina's interview says:
Trading in grain and flour. At the time, it mattered ["importava" - I think this means "imports" but could be wrong] from Piedmont companies Fumero and Chiavazza. In increasing amounts, until the first mill built in Sanluri. So, in '68, opened the Stipar (Society for the industrial processing of agricultural products harvested). "He was very proud of that signature."
So Ercole has moved from import/export with the mainland to owning his own mill by 1968 at the latest, when Massimo would have been 12. Starting a 'Society for Industrial Processing' suggests to me that this was not some small mill down by the stream, but factory style grain processing on an industrial scale. I'm not sure a 12 year old boy would find much hands-on work to do in an industrial grain processing plant.
The business builds during Massimo's childhood, and by 1975 (when Massimo was 19) Ercole is able to buy out the old and established ("historical brand") food company Sem [nb the translation is fuzzy here - could be a merger. Either way, Ercole is in the realms of the biggest companies around].
The hard times, now, are because the family's wealth is large enough that it makes them targets for kidnappers. In 1979 Ercole's partner Benigno Brai is abducted and, as far as I can tell, not seen again. Lucina says:
"That terrible incident has shocked our family. Anonymous letters and threats forced us to change our lifestyle. We were afraid, escorted touring, we used buzzwords. To protect children, my father sent Massimo in Australia, in France, George, Albert College in Treviso. Just me and my sister were left in Sardinia."
We can make some judgements about the family resources at this point; kidnapping is described in the article as a risk for anyone "just wealthy", but Ercole has the resources to send Massimo to work, still within the family business, in Australia - suggesting it was by this time a very large business - and the rest of his sons elsewhere, to protect their safety.
Australia was an interruption to Massimo's studies - he had "attended for several years" the Faculty of Business and Economics, studying for a diploma in accountancy, or as it could also be described, "pushing numbers around on a computer screen," if they had computer screens in 1974-78.
Massimo returned to Sardinia in 1983, married the daughter of a hotelier and politician, and "devoted himself full-time to family companies," including such rough-handed tasks as "restructuring the organization of domestic sales in Sardinia."By the time he was 38 and under arrest, accused of attempting to defraud the EU, he was described as: "always tanned and flawless, looks and playboy ways, before the outbreak of the football, Cellino had two passions: the 'motoring (and' successful rally driver) and the green table (bets every weekend in Monte Carlo)."
So that's my understanding of Massimo Cellino: the early years. He was born into a wealthy family that was hampered by a bon-vivant grandfather's (maybe something in the genes?) debts and early death, quickly built back to wealth by his father from a combination of existing businesses, his wife's family's ownership of their own mill, and hard work.
By the time Massimo was of age, the family was again wealthy enough that it was a target for kidnappers, and wealthy enough to protect Massimo by sending him to subsidiary parts of the business in Australia. This happened when Cellino was around 22, by which time he had spent several years studying accountancy.So, I believe that this:
hasitgoneup wrote:
I do suspect he knows a lot more about hard physical graft than many on here. The reason for this is his age, and the age of the company. I suspect that when he was in his teens and the company was relatively small he would have worked long hours in every aspect of the business, including lifting, carrying and fixing.
- isn't the case. When Massimo was in his teens the company was relatively massive, and its business was not of the kind where a boy of 13-19 would be lifting, carrying or fixing.
http://forum.thesquareball.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4940&start=40&sid=fa6eddf1a6820ce87db1a6f01b578136
