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Gus: My Leeds United points dream

Gustavo Poyet has admitted he is still clinging to the hope that Leeds United will win their fight to regain the points deducted by the Football League.
Leeds moved off the bottom of League One and to within six points of the division's play-off places with a 3-0 win at Bristol Rovers on Friday, but Poyet is hoping United's position will be drastically improved by a successful challenge to their 15-point penalty.
The Football Association are considering a request from Leeds chairman Ken Bates for officials at Soho Square to investigate the process which led to the League's unprecedented punishment in the wake of the United's exit from administration last month.
Leeds would currently be sitting two points clear of League One leaders Orient without the handicap and, despite starting the season with six straight victories, Dennis Wise's squad are likely to need another 24 wins from their remaining 40 matches to have a realistic chance of finishing inside the top six.
United are awaiting a response from the FA, who will decide whether they have jurisdiction over this specific area of League rules before considering the validity of the punishment.
Assistant boss Poyet said: "I'm dreaming about waking up one morning and getting the 15 points back from the Football League. Why not? They say dreams come true.
"At the moment we're okay but it's going to be tough for me if we make 92 points, which would probably make us champions, but because of the 15 points we maybe end up in the play-offs. That would be hard to take."

United director Shaun Harvey said today: "We've asked the FA to consider the League's decision and we'll be following up our request this week."

YEP 17/9

[Leeds04]

Hmmmm.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=482762&in_page_id=1951&ito=newsnow

"Why settle for more, when you can settle for less"

[Asbjørn]

quote:Originally posted by Leeds04

Hmmmm.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=482762&in_page_id=1951&ito=newsnow

..det er da tydelig at FA sliter aldri så lite med denne saken. []

Maybe there's hope, after all...



All my powers of expression and thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice in reason or in rhyme
B.Dylan

[kjelvi]

Leeds United clockwatch: 8.33am 20/9

8.11am - Speculation mounts that the FA may not make a decision on Leeds United's points appeal at their meeting next Monday.

[Torgeir]

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leeds-united-news/Leeds-United-clockwatch-1241pm.3016504.jp

Vi kan jo håpe, men....tror det ikke før jeg får se det.

"I`m hard but fair-like Leeds United"

"We will be back"

Torgeir

[Karl Hot Shot]

Her er du kryptisk i dine meldinger, Torgeir. Du kan ikke dekode, dechiffrere, ditt buskap? Er det slik at du håper at Leeds Uniteds straff på økonomisk rot med 15 minuspoeng skal bli opphevet av FA? Eller håper du bare på at FAs kunngjøring i saken snart skal bli offentlig for hele vår verden? Utdyp gjerne her, du som er en av Lørenskogs store sønner, eller var det Skedsmo? [:0] []

[Sydhagen]

FA er en gjeng knøler som ikke kommer til å komme fram til noe som helst fornuftig i denne saken!

[Torgeir]

quote:Originally posted by Karl Hot Shot

Her er du kryptisk i dine meldinger, Torgeir. Du kan ikke dekode, dechiffrere, ditt buskap? Er det slik at du håper at Leeds Uniteds straff på økonomisk rot med 15 minuspoeng skal bli opphevet av FA? Eller håper du bare på at FAs kunngjøring i saken snart skal bli offentlig for hele vår verden? Utdyp gjerne her, du som er en av Lørenskogs store sønner, eller var det Skedsmo? [:0] []

Vet lite like som deg Karl, men håper jo fortsatt at vi skal få redusert straff. Noe må dem jo diskutere/har diskutert på dette møtet, eller er det spill for galleriet...egentlig gir jeg f..., direkte opprykk blir det uansett...

Hilsen Lørenskosg`s store sønn.Snart Skedsmo...kanskje.[8D][8D][][]

"I`m hard but fair-like Leeds United"

"We will be back"

Torgeir

[Jon R]

"Lørenskos." Den var god! []

Snakker vi fortsatt om stua di, Torgeir?  []

Jon R.

[Torgeir]

Selvfølgelig...larn stå jeg Jon....

"I`m hard but fair-like Leeds United"

"We will be back"

Torgeir

[kjelvi]

Leeds looking more and more likely to have last laugh

THEY sneer and snigger at Leeds United's decline around other parts of God's Own County.
They laugh at the way a club which threatened to win the Champions League six years ago is now slumming it in the third tier of English football.
But those people who throw stones should take heed, for a quiet revolution is taking place at Elland Road.
At this rate, it will not be long before Leeds are climbing back to the top, possibly even by-passing those who are currently looking down their noses.
The motto 'gaining strength from adversity' should be carved into the club's logo. There were times when the future looked bleak, when fans appeared so fed up that they might turn their back on Elland Road for good.
But this summer has heralded the dawn of a new era and, suddenly, the people of Leeds â€" both young and old â€" are flooding back to support their local team.
On Saturday, for the visit of plain old Swansea City, there were an amazing 29,500 supporters packed into Elland Road. That's 5,500 more than turned out for the opening home game against Southend United a month ago. The club's average gate is now the biggest in Yorkshire and higher than six clubs in the Premier League.
Slowly, but surely, the club are putting things right. Seven straight wins have wiped out the 15-point penalty imposed by the Football League with interest and sparked talk of a promotion push.
Ironically, the two men leading the revival â€" manager Dennis Wise and chairman Ken Bates â€" boast a longer association with one of the club's biggest rivals Chelsea.
The fans will not stop singing anti-Chelsea songs yet, but at least they have started chanting Wise's name. Things are definitely looking up.
The words of Leeds band Chumbawamba echo around the stadium when Leeds take to the field. "I get knocked down, but I get up again. No you're never going to keep me down!". You couldn't write a better chorus to sum up the current situation.
Off the field, it is imperative that Leeds perform equally well.
Until this weekend, supporters had been unable to buy a new replica shirt; meanwhile children have been unable to get hold of a team photo for their bedroom walls. Good news, though, is that a photo call takes place today.
Bates reduced ticket prices and generated an immediate increase in attendances.
But, apparently, a group of schoolchildren wearing Leeds scarves on a bus destined for Elland Road were close to tears prior to the Luton game when news came through, via text, that all the discount tickets had been sold.
Unable to afford the £18 admission price, they had no option but to settle for an afternoon in the shopping mall instead. Strangely, there were still plenty of spaces waiting to be filled in the club's 40,000 capacity stadium.
Someone in power needs to ensure that all those wanting to join the Leeds revival are welcomed with open arms. They want to buy the team photo and they want to wear the club's new kit. They are the club's future and they are proud to wear the colours again, so they need to be encouraged to stay.
Even as a neutral, it is impossible not to be impressed by the way things are improving at Elland Road. The Whites might not be everyone's cup of tea, but, to the people of Leeds, they are again a reason for celebration.

Ian Appleyard , Yorkshire Post

[Papi]

Kva skjer med dette møtet da? Høyrer jo ikkje ein dritt fra det....

Gullet skal hem te Bergen!!

[Asbjørn]

Liker tonen i lokalavisen for tiden (...selv i en tid der man vel fortsatt "er i krig med styreformannen")

Nesten som om BT skulle begynne å skrive fordelaktig om Monsamjelden dette her...




All my powers of expression and thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice in reason or in rhyme
B.Dylan

[kjelvi]

It's a waiting game....


YEP: Leeds United clockwatch

Tuesday 25 September
7.59am - Still no word from the FA on Leeds United's points appeal.

Monday 24 September
3.59pm - Still no word from the FA on the United ponts penalty appeal.
12.41pm - Fans wait for word on the FA hearing. The meeting is understood by www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk to wind up mid-afternoon.
8.12am - Fans focus on today's FA board meeting where United's points pena,ty appeal will be heard.

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Leeds United must wait for FA verdict on points appeal

Leeds United are waiting to discover whether the battle to overturn their 15-point penalty has won the support of the Football Association.
United's demand for a review of their Football League sanction was discussed at an FA board meeting in London yesterday after Leeds appealed to the Association for help in fighting the punishment.
The 15-point deduction was one of several items on the FA's agenda and United are expected to learn later this week whether the FA will recommend an independent assessment of the League's sanction.
Leeds were originally penalised by the Football League on August 3 after exiting administration without a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA).
The club believed rules relating to exceptional circumstances would allow them to regain their membership of the League without punishment, and United's anger at the penalty increased after a majority of Football League clubs voted to reject their appeal at a hearing in London six days later.
Elland Road chairman Ken Bates has hinted that he would be willing to accept the punishment if the League's ruling is supported by an independent panel, and the FA are considering his argument after the 75-year-old sent documents stating his case to Soho Square last month.
The Association's board does not have the authority to reverse the League's decision outright, but the dispute may now be passed to their regulatory department for further consideration following yesterday's meeting. United hope an independent tribunal will then be asked to arbitrate.
The FA's 14-man board includes Football League chairman Lord Brian Mawhinney and Ipswich Town chairman David Sheepshanks, along with four other representatives of the professional game.
It is not known whether Sheepshanks voted against United's appeal last month but Bates claimed he had been informed that, while Mawhinney and Sheepshanks were free to attend yesterday meeting, neither man would be allowed to contribute to the discussion of the 15-point penalty due to a potential conflict of interest.
Manchester United chief executive David Gill, Bolton chairman Phil Gartside, Blackburn Rovers director Robert Coar and Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards are also members of the board, and both FA chairman Geoff Thompson and chief executive Brian Barwick are believed to have attended yesterday's meeting.
Bates has insisted previously that United adhered to Football League rules when ending their spell in administration, despite the club's failure to implement an approved CVA.
The situation represented the first occasion that the League has used the exceptional circumstances clause to return a club's Football League share without a CVA.
The Association is not expected to comment publicly on the outcome of yesterday's meeting, but it is likely to contact Leeds this week to confirm whether or not they intend to back the League's judgement.
A spokesman for the FA said: "The full details of the discussions will be passed on in correspondence with the club."

YEP

[GeirO]

HVIS det umulige skulle skje, at Leeds får tilbake de 15 poengene, tror jeg at jeg erklærer resten av denne sesongen for kjedelig, men akk så hyggelig.

[Wannabe]

Jeg vil i et slikt tilfelle kalle sesongen forløsende, historisk, avslappende, en sesong som virkelig lærer oss endelig å senke skuldrene og igjen får oss til å se lyst på hele livet i sin alminnelighet, frelsende, rensende, ...men akk så kjedelig, der mener jeg også absolutt at du er inne på noe, GeirO!!!

MOT

[GeirO]

......og av og til er det deilig å bare kjeeeedee seg........men det kan jo plutselig skje at laget vårt begynner å tape kamper (har visst skjedd tidligere)....og da plutselig er det ikke kjedelig lengre!

[kjelvi]

Leeds United clockwatch:

Thursday 27 September
7.46am - Yorkshire Evening Post reveal Leeds United may find today out what the FA have decided following Monday's meeting at which the clubs penatly points appeal was heard. Keep checking back.

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FA tightlipped on Leeds United

The discussions held by the Football Association's board on Monday have become Soho Square's most closely-guarded secret as officials seek an end to the conflict over Leeds United's 15-point penalty.

The controversial punishment was included on the agenda for this week's general board meeting in London, but Leeds were still awaiting confirmation of the FA's intentions this morning after asking the Association to support their bid to overturn the deduction.
United believe the FA should order an independent review of both the penalty imposed on the club by the Football League and the manner in which their original appeal against the punishment was handled, and Leeds were expected to learn the outcome of Monday's talks before
But the FA has been working to prevent details of the discussions from reaching the public domain after finding itself at the centre of a complicated and unprecedented dispute.
Sources at Soho Square admitted last month that they were reluctant to become involved in the squabble between Leeds and the Football League, but the responsibility for upholding the decision â€" or allowing it to be assessed independently â€" has now fallen firmly on their shoulders.
The FA's board, which consists of 14 members including representatives from both the amateur and professional game, has no power with which to instantly overrule a Football League decision, but its recommendation of an independent review would be seen by United as a positive step towards repealing some or all of their 15-point penalty.
The FA has repeatedly refused to comment on its board's position, or whether the dispute will now be passed to its regulatory department for further investigation.
A spokesman for the FA confirmed to the YEP today that United's case had been discussed on Monday, but would only state that the League's decision was still "under consideration".
"We're keeping it private," the spokesman said. "There is nothing more for us to say at this time."
United hope the handling of the recent disagreement between Sheffield United and West Ham United, involving Argentine international Carlos Tevez, will encourage the FA to recommend an independent judgement, but there is an important difference between the two cases.
The FA was not directly involved in the disagreement over Tevez's registration and eligibility, and the arbitration tribunal which heard the Tevez case â€" and ruled against Sheffield United â€" was set up on the orders of the Premier League after the South Yorkshire club appealed against their decision to impose a fine on West Ham, rather than a points deduction.
Leeds United's own appeal to the Football League was instead ruled upon by their fellow League clubs, with the exception of Bury who failed to send a representative to a specially-convened meeting on August 9, two days before the start of this season.
The League believed United's unsuccessful appeal was the end of the matter, but the FA is now in a difficult position after being asked to rule against one of the most prominent organisations under its jurisdiction.
Both Lord Brian Mawhinney, the Football League's chairman, and Ipswich Town chairman David Sheepshanks, whose club is understood to have voted in favour of imposing a points deduction on Leeds, are members of the FA's board and are believed to have been present at Monday's meeting.
Bates, however, was assured by the FA that neither man would be allowed to influence discussions over the 15-point penalty.
Bates hinted this morning that the FA might be ready to confirm the outcome of its meeting, saying: "I think they've made their decision.
"I'm not the FA so I can't tell you what's going on, but I'd anticipate that they'll confirm their decision in due course."
Alongside Mawhinney and Sheepshanks, the FA's board contains a number of other influential figures.
David Gill, Manchester United's chief executive, replaced ex-Arsenal vice-chairman David Dein on the board last year and is thought to have taken part in Monday's talks. Bolton's Phil Gartside and Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards were also due to be present, though none of those in London have commented publicly on United's situation.
The FA has so far succeeded in preventing the leek of any information from the meeting, but a ruling against the League and in favour of an independent review would, in any case, be the start of another lengthy administrative process.
The stakes are high for United, regardless of their excellent league record this season. A reduction of their penalty to 10 points would revise the club's standing in League One by lifting the club from 18th position to sixth, and the reversal of their entire deduction would, at present, move Leeds five points clear at the top of the division.


YEP

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United striker: points penalty row won't disrupt us

Leeds United's battle to reclaim 15 points from the Football League will not disrupt the focus of the club's dressing room, according to striker Leon Constantine.

Speculation was mounting that Leeds would learn today whether their request for an independent review of their 15-point deduction has secured the backing of the Football Association.
The club's penalty - imposed by the Football League last month - was discussed at an FA board meeting in London on Monday, and United chairman Ken Bates is confident that the case will be sent to independent tribunal for further consideration.
A review of the League's decision, which was made after Leeds exited administration without a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA), would be a lengthy process, but United's playing squad are refusing to bank on the return of any of the points taken from them before the start of the term.
Constantine said: "It's not our worry. The manager has made that clear. Whatever happens on that side of things, the club have got people dealing with it.
"They'll do what they can, and the players aren't being distracted by that. We don't expect those people to come onto the pitch and win our games, and we can't do their jobs for them.
"We're not expecting favours from anybody - referees, the lot. We didn't expect any favours from the other chairmen in the League when they made the decision in the first place.
"They know who they are and what they've done, and if they'd assessed the situation properly then they wouldn't have made that decision.
"They were obviously thinking about themselves, and how they'd make their own position stronger. That's what they did."
The League's penalty has provoked a run of seven straight wins from Leeds but, having gained enough points to be five clear at the top of League One in normal circumstances, United's remain in the bottom half of the division ahead of Saturday's trip to Gillingham.

YEP

[kjelvi]

FA`s Silence Is Not Golden to Leeds
The FA are so far refusing to comment on the points penalty appeal made by Leeds Chairman Ken Bates.
Bates confirmed via the match day programme last Saturday that a request had been made for the FA to review the 15 points penalty imposed by the Football League before the start of the season. With Leeds already wiping out the deduction with an impressive 7-game winning streak, the Leeds supremo is determined to have the points restored, a move that would see Leeds slingshot right to the very top of League One.
'Although it is nice to enjoy six straight league wins, it in no way reduces our determination to have the 15 points, which have been unlawfully deducted, restored.
'Following representations to the Football Association, the matter will be considered at the FA board meeting on Monday (September 24)" Bates said.
He also went on to mention the fact that two members of the Football Association were actually part of the initial decision to deduct points from Leeds, though they will have no say in the proceedings:
"Both Mr Sheepshanks (Ipswich Town) and Mr Mawhinney (the Football League president) are members of the board so they are entitled to attend but they will not be allowed to speak on the subject because of their conflict of interest."
So far however the FA have turned it into somewhat of a secret, with no news of a decision 4 days later. A spokesman from the FA told the Yorkshire Evening Post that so far it was being kept a private matter, and there wasn`t a great deal that could be said at the moment.
Lets just hope they aren`t sweeping this one under the carpet.

leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/


Give me my points back!

[JohnTiger]

Absolutt ingewn hjelp å få fra FA :-( :-(

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1122177,00.html


Marching on together!

[Dennis]

Legg ned FA!

- Dennis

Hva er poenget med kort corner? [}:)]

[Tom S]

Hadde ikkje regna med hjelp frå FA.

FA ville nok ikkje dolke FL i ryggen og at vi er Leeds gjorde det enkelt for dei.

Men, det er rart at dei ikkje ser at anken vår vart vurdert og stemt over av partiske parter som absolutt hadde interesser i denne saka. Det minste vi bør forvente er ein uavhegig vurdering.

Kanskje kan FA møte seg sjølv i døra ein gang i framtida?

Men, den som ler sist....



WE'RE LEEDS AND PROUD!!!

[flynn]

OK folkens, dette forandrer ingenting. Vi får ingen hjelp, og må klare oss selv, men det har vi jo vent oss til etter noen år (eller tiår) som Leeds-supportere. Faktum er at vi trives i utfordrerrollen. Om vi nå hadde fått de 15 poengene så ville resten av sesongen handlet om å forsvare ligaledelsen. Nå kan vi i stedet fortsette i Estil-rollen, og vi vil i alle fall en god tid framover ha lite å tape, alt å vinne.

Utgangspunktet er klart, hansken er kastet osv. Let the RAZAMANAZIN' continue!

flynn

[Sydhagen]

hva skjer nå...??  kommer bates til å gå til rettsalen med dette?

[raggen]

lurer også på hva som skjer videre??? kan vi enda få redusert straffen eller var dette ett "endelig" avslag??

OOOOOHH AHHHHH DERRY IS GONNA GET YA!!!

[Sølvreven]

Ser på Leedssidene at FA ikke kommer til å forandre mening om saken. Arrogante drittsekker.
http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1122177,00.html

***************

Better dead than red.

Champions League, here we come!

[RoarG]

Ligaen og FA: Mafiabrødre[xx(]. Dette skammelige poengstraffsvedtaket bør Leeds' jurister se nærmere på, og evt. forsøke å få omstøtt rettslig.

Change is the constant that cannot be changed.