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Josch

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« Svar #270 på: August 30, 2020, 09:48:28 »
En annen viktig forskjell før og etter Bielsa er at det nå er Bielsa som velger/ godkjenner spillere. Thomas Christiansen måtte godta det han fikk tildelt av Orta. Det var ikke alltid vellykket.

Dette stemmer ikke med slik Orta fremstiller det. Han har alltid fått godkjennelse hos hovedtrener før noen ble hentet - ellers er det jo liten vits i å hente noen hvis de ikke blir brukt.

Noe annet er at Bielsa har langt mer tyngde bak 'protestene' sine, en mer uerfaren trener godtok nok i større grad spiilere han ble tilbudt.

TC sa også dette. Ingen spillere ble hentet uten at han godkjente det.

De sa det ja. Men var det den fulle sannhet? Hver gang TC ble spurt om nye spillerkjøp svarte han: "You have to ask Victor".

Spiller jo ingen rolle nå. Bielsa/Orta ser ut til å fungere bra. Men etter Bielsas ankomst ser kjøpene til Orta ut til å være mer treffsikre. Pussig.

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« Svar #271 på: August 30, 2020, 09:53:04 »
Bielsa/Orta ser ut til å fungere bra.

Det som er morsomt, er at de innimellom krangler så fillene fyker (...ifølge en Hay-artikkel har det vært tider der de som hører på lurte på om de noensinne ville være på talefot igjen).

Men det har gått helt fint. :)

Jeg tror det er bra at Bielsa ikke bare har 'ja-mennesker' rundt seg!
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« Svar #272 på: August 30, 2020, 17:40:27 »
En annen viktig forskjell før og etter Bielsa er at det nå er Bielsa som velger/ godkjenner spillere. Thomas Christiansen måtte godta det han fikk tildelt av Orta. Det var ikke alltid vellykket.

Dette stemmer ikke med slik Orta fremstiller det. Han har alltid fått godkjennelse hos hovedtrener før noen ble hentet - ellers er det jo liten vits i å hente noen hvis de ikke blir brukt.

Noe annet er at Bielsa har langt mer tyngde bak 'protestene' sine, en mer uerfaren trener godtok nok i større grad spiilere han ble tilbudt.

TC sa også dette. Ingen spillere ble hentet uten at han godkjente det.

De sa det ja. Men var det den fulle sannhet? Hver gang TC ble spurt om nye spillerkjøp svarte han: "You have to ask Victor".

Spiller jo ingen rolle nå. Bielsa/Orta ser ut til å fungere bra. Men etter Bielsas ankomst ser kjøpene til Orta ut til å være mer treffsikre. Pussig.

Genialt svar det. Da slipper du mas fra media. Bielsa svarer det samme. Orta som vet status på hvor i prosessen dem er.

Truffet bedre? Costa ikke braksuksess enda.. Douglas bom til nå. Casilla er det delte meninger om. Harrison blitt bra. Mange mener Bamford er for dårlig.  Det er både og her også, som for alle lag.

Alioski, Saiz, Pontus, Klich, Forshaw, Roberts er bra treff før Bielsa. Den sommern ble det hentet mange, da er også sjansen for bom også større. Man må tåle noen De Bocker og Groter innimellom. Under Bielsa har vi Augustine, Mujica som er uforståelige signeringer.

Men at Bielsa tiltrekker seg bedre navn enn TC og all søpla som var under Cellino sier seg selv. Nå har det ikke vært nødvendig å hente like mange for Bielsa, da hovedkjernen allerede var på plass  :)


Josch

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« Svar #273 på: August 30, 2020, 21:33:38 »
En annen viktig forskjell før og etter Bielsa er at det nå er Bielsa som velger/ godkjenner spillere. Thomas Christiansen måtte godta det han fikk tildelt av Orta. Det var ikke alltid vellykket.

Dette stemmer ikke med slik Orta fremstiller det. Han har alltid fått godkjennelse hos hovedtrener før noen ble hentet - ellers er det jo liten vits i å hente noen hvis de ikke blir brukt.

Noe annet er at Bielsa har langt mer tyngde bak 'protestene' sine, en mer uerfaren trener godtok nok i større grad spiilere han ble tilbudt.

TC sa også dette. Ingen spillere ble hentet uten at han godkjente det.

De sa det ja. Men var det den fulle sannhet? Hver gang TC ble spurt om nye spillerkjøp svarte han: "You have to ask Victor".

Spiller jo ingen rolle nå. Bielsa/Orta ser ut til å fungere bra. Men etter Bielsas ankomst ser kjøpene til Orta ut til å være mer treffsikre. Pussig.

Genialt svar det. Da slipper du mas fra media. Bielsa svarer det samme. Orta som vet status på hvor i prosessen dem er.

Truffet bedre? Costa ikke braksuksess enda.. Douglas bom til nå. Casilla er det delte meninger om. Harrison blitt bra. Mange mener Bamford er for dårlig.  Det er både og her også, som for alle lag.

Alioski, Saiz, Pontus, Klich, Forshaw, Roberts er bra treff før Bielsa. Den sommern ble det hentet mange, da er også sjansen for bom også større. Man må tåle noen De Bocker og Groter innimellom. Under Bielsa har vi Augustine, Mujica som er uforståelige signeringer.

Men at Bielsa tiltrekker seg bedre navn enn TC og all søpla som var under Cellino sier seg selv. Nå har det ikke vært nødvendig å hente like mange for Bielsa, da hovedkjernen allerede var på plass  :)

Pontus er hentet av Cellino. Enig i at flere fiaskoer ble ok kjøp av Orta likevel. Augustine kan ha vært ok vurdering i januar. Her vet vi lite. Kan også være at Bielsa vurderte feil.

Kjøpt under Cellino:

Wood
Dallas
Pablo
Roofe
Pontus
Berardi
Ayling

Du kaller altså disse for søppel? Dette er en stor del av hovedkjernen i laget siste to år. Wood er blant tidenes avkastning for Leeds. Profitt på 12 mill og ca 46 mål.

Mange viktige i Bielsas lag er hentet av Cellino. Du bør også vite at i tiden med "søppel" var Leeds ilagt transfer embargo (jan 2015). Arvet fra forrige eier. Pluss en nær-konkurs opplevelse i 2014.

Men du har rett: klubber som betaler ned på konkursgjeld (gjeldsordning) kan bare kjøpe søppel og tiltrekker seg hverken folk som Orta, Bielsa eller gode spillere. :)




« Siste redigering: August 30, 2020, 21:35:32 av Josch »

Eriksen55

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« Svar #274 på: August 30, 2020, 22:12:37 »
Nei, ingen av de spillerne er søppel. Aldri sagt. Men Evans, Hockaday og alt det andre han drasset inn i klubben av trenere!

Cellino diskuterer jeg ikke med deg  :)

Jeg er fornøyd med Orta. Den lidenskapen han viser tåler noen feilskjær. Er nok han selv som tar evt "bomkjøp" tyngst!

Josch

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« Svar #275 på: August 30, 2020, 23:41:22 »
Nei, ingen av de spillerne er søppel. Aldri sagt. Men Evans, Hockaday og alt det andre han drasset inn i klubben av trenere!

Cellino diskuterer jeg ikke med deg  :)

Jeg er fornøyd med Orta. Den lidenskapen han viser tåler noen feilskjær. Er nok han selv som tar evt "bomkjøp" tyngst!

Dette handler egentlig ikke om Cellino, for en annen eier ville hatt samme problem.  Kanskje ansatt en annen enn Hockaday, men ikke vært motivert til å satse.  Ja, jeg er enig. Det ble kjøpt mye søppel i perioden 2007-2017. Trenere også. Sportsdirektørerer også. Kanskje eiere også. Det var tilfeldigvis akkurat den perioden tilbakebetalingen til kreditorer foregikk. Ingen eier turte å ta risiko og kanskje rykke opp og oppnå en megagevinst. Og skape noe for supporterne.

Men sånn er det å være under gjeldsordning. Kreditorer tar alle ekstra inntekter (spillersalg,  bonus ved opprykk osv). Slik var avtalen. Ingen eiere finner noen incentiver til å satse. Risiko og gevinst står ikke i forhold. Evt gevinst går til noen andre. Sånn er det for privatpersoner også. Man lever på eksistensminimum. Sånn er livet for gjeldsslaver. Inngått avtale må holdes. 

Når man er fri kan man ta risko, investere og beholde hele gevinsten selv!! Det er frihet.  Der er Leeds og Radrizzani nå. :)

Orta gjør en bra jobb. Noen bomkjøp , men vanskelig å si om han er bedre enn andre med samme jobb i andre klubber. At Leeds rykket opp bør telle til hans fordel. Han må ha gjort noe riktig. :)


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« Svar #277 på: Oktober 06, 2020, 19:51:45 »
Inget illa om Orta, men radz och Bielsa känns så mycket viktigare
 

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« Svar #278 på: Oktober 06, 2020, 20:02:41 »
Inget illa om Orta, men radz och Bielsa känns så mycket viktigare

Einig. Av dei tre (pluss Kinnear) så verkar Orta som den største "glory-hugger'n"

Men til tross for det så trur eg han gjer ein god jobb, og at dei jobbar godt saman, den gjengen.

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« Svar #279 på: Oktober 06, 2020, 20:47:52 »
Inget illa om Orta, men radz och Bielsa känns så mycket viktigare

Einig. Av dei tre (pluss Kinnear) så verkar Orta som den største "glory-hugger'n"

Men til tross for det så trur eg han gjer ein god jobb, og at dei jobbar godt saman, den gjengen.
Har dere ikke sett, Take us home? Liker han mer og mer etter den serien. Virker dedikert og smågal :) Å det faller jeg lett for, i hvertfall når det er snakk om Super Leeds. 

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« Svar #280 på: Oktober 07, 2020, 00:06:00 »
Inget illa om Orta, men radz och Bielsa känns så mycket viktigare

Einig. Av dei tre (pluss Kinnear) så verkar Orta som den største "glory-hugger'n"

Men til tross for det så trur eg han gjer ein god jobb, og at dei jobbar godt saman, den gjengen.
Har dere ikke sett, Take us home? Liker han mer og mer etter den serien. Virker dedikert og smågal :) Å det faller jeg lett for, i hvertfall når det er snakk om Super Leeds.
Jodå, har sett den. Og fint med engasjement - morsomt det. Det at dei andre påståeleg er VIKTIGARE, seier meir om dei andre enn Orta. Veldig viktig i gruppa der han og.


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« Svar #281 på: Oktober 07, 2020, 12:31:17 »
Inget illa om Orta, men radz och Bielsa känns så mycket viktigare

Einig. Av dei tre (pluss Kinnear) så verkar Orta som den største "glory-hugger'n"

Men til tross for det så trur eg han gjer ein god jobb, og at dei jobbar godt saman, den gjengen.
Har dere ikke sett, Take us home? Liker han mer og mer etter den serien. Virker dedikert og smågal :) Å det faller jeg lett for, i hvertfall når det er snakk om Super Leeds.
Jodå, har sett den. Og fint med engasjement - morsomt det. Det at dei andre påståeleg er VIKTIGARE, seier meir om dei andre enn Orta. Veldig viktig i gruppa der han og.


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alle er jo like viktig i sine roller, Radrizzani som eier og styreformann, Kinnear som administrativ direktør og Orta som Fotball/Sportsdirektør. Tenker de utfyller hverandre veldig godt
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« Svar #282 på: Oktober 07, 2020, 18:20:06 »
Victor Ortas versjon av "we're top of the league": https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=hcCao2Bpshg

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« Svar #283 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 12:53:35 »
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Leedsoholic. Oppfinneren av "pretting".

jaho

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« Svar #284 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 13:08:23 »
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/27179/victor-orta-an-open-letter-to-barry-douglas?fbclid=IwAR3FQdB200Q2aGJCtqMkAWrZ-EkbrjbYosE1hfqWVnxGkfXtrQQGen6Skes
Dette kan aldri ha skjedd før noensinne. Victor Orta jeg bøyer meg i støvet 👏

Blir litt våte øyekroker av sånt... Victor er fantastisk.. og dette forteller alt om standingen til Barry i gruppa.. og hans betydning, det følte vi også under opprykket der han var i front på det meste.. Fin jovial type som det ikke er alt for mange av i fotballen...men som det heldigvis ser ut som Leeds har plenty av.. Ser ut som det ble permanent i stedet for lån da.. så takk for innsatsen Barry. Hadde vel håpet på mer sportslig bidrag, men man skal heller ikke undervurdere betydningen av innsatsen utenfor banen, det å være med på å bygge et miljø, der har nok Douglas vært en av enerne.. Betyr noen poeng det også.. :)
Edit: Ser på Blackburn-siden at det er visst en seasonlong-lån...ordene til Orta virket som en avskjed, og ikke på gjensyn.. så spørs om han blir å finne på ER igjen..
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« Svar #285 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 19:32:49 »
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/27179/victor-orta-an-open-letter-to-barry-douglas?fbclid=IwAR3FQdB200Q2aGJCtqMkAWrZ-EkbrjbYosE1hfqWVnxGkfXtrQQGen6Skes
Dette kan aldri ha skjedd før noensinne. Victor Orta jeg bøyer meg i støvet 👏

Blir litt våte øyekroker av sånt... Victor er fantastisk.. og dette forteller alt om standingen til Barry i gruppa.. og hans betydning, det følte vi også under opprykket der han var i front på det meste.. Fin jovial type som det ikke er alt for mange av i fotballen...men som det heldigvis ser ut som Leeds har plenty av.. Ser ut som det ble permanent i stedet for lån da.. så takk for innsatsen Barry. Hadde vel håpet på mer sportslig bidrag, men man skal heller ikke undervurdere betydningen av innsatsen utenfor banen, det å være med på å bygge et miljø, der har nok Douglas vært en av enerne.. Betyr noen poeng det også.. :)
Edit: Ser på Blackburn-siden at det er visst en seasonlong-lån...ordene til Orta virket som en avskjed, og ikke på gjensyn.. så spørs om han blir å finne på ER igjen..

Douglas er hel ved! Bra mann. Synd at sånne ikke slår til 100 %. Men som du sier. Virker som vi har flere av den typen i Leeds.

Det var nok avskjed. Kontrakten med Leeds går ut etter sesongen.

Denne gangen er det Orta, men nok engang viser klubben siner verdier. Klasse!

NT

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« Svar #286 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 19:41:55 »
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/27179/victor-orta-an-open-letter-to-barry-douglas?fbclid=IwAR3FQdB200Q2aGJCtqMkAWrZ-EkbrjbYosE1hfqWVnxGkfXtrQQGen6Skes
Dette kan aldri ha skjedd før noensinne. Victor Orta jeg bøyer meg i støvet 👏

Blir litt våte øyekroker av sånt... Victor er fantastisk.. og dette forteller alt om standingen til Barry i gruppa.. og hans betydning, det følte vi også under opprykket der han var i front på det meste.. Fin jovial type som det ikke er alt for mange av i fotballen...men som det heldigvis ser ut som Leeds har plenty av.. Ser ut som det ble permanent i stedet for lån da.. så takk for innsatsen Barry. Hadde vel håpet på mer sportslig bidrag, men man skal heller ikke undervurdere betydningen av innsatsen utenfor banen, det å være med på å bygge et miljø, der har nok Douglas vært en av enerne.. Betyr noen poeng det også.. :)
Edit: Ser på Blackburn-siden at det er visst en seasonlong-lån...ordene til Orta virket som en avskjed, og ikke på gjensyn.. så spørs om han blir å finne på ER igjen..

Douglas er hel ved! Bra mann. Synd at sånne ikke slår til 100 %. Men som du sier. Virker som vi har flere av den typen i Leeds.

Det var nok avskjed. Kontrakten med Leeds går ut etter sesongen.

Denne gangen er det Orta, men nok engang viser klubben siner verdier. Klasse!

Ja, virkelig ! Nok en gang viser de evne til å håndtere/balansere  det finansielle,sportslige og menneskelige. Signert Berardi også, helt strålende.  Vår klubb dette !

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« Svar #287 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 20:26:02 »
Leeds har (igjen) blitt en klubb å trives i ( alle spillere og ansatte) og med (vi supportere).

Vi er vel nesten tilbake i Don Revies "ånd".

Gir dette mening?
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« Svar #288 på: Oktober 16, 2020, 22:00:58 »
Leeds har (igjen) blitt en klubb å trives i ( alle spillere og ansatte) og med (vi supportere).

Vi er vel nesten tilbake i Don Revies "ånd".

Gir dette mening?
Absolutt, det kan være nøkkelen til suksess.  Det er en rød tråd hos de fleste klubber som oppnår suksess, men hos oss er det spesielt fordi vi har ikke noen direkte "stjerner" innad i spillergruppa.  Dette er en gjeng som føler de bidrar likt, og ønsker å bidra på like premisser.  Jeg antar Bielsa er med på å skape dette gjennom sin filosofi, respekt, menneskeverd og gir spillergruppa nok av fysisk utmattelse (og da man som mest trenger positiv energi fra lagkompiser).  Vi har oppnådd delvis suksess så langt, men jeg tipper at det er mer på gang med den gjengen her.
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« Svar #289 på: November 07, 2020, 10:05:51 »
Det èr mulig å bli bittelitt glad i Victor Orta :)

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/orta-leeds-united-europe-plan-19238745?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Victor Orta explains his long-term plan to lead Leeds United back into Europe
The Whites' Director of Football spoke passionately about the important of the club's supporters and his aim to get the team back into Europe.


By Elliott Jackson Northern Network Desk Writer 20:30, 6 NOV 2020


Victor Orta explains how he plans to lead Leeds United back into Europe.
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Victor Orta has revealed he aims to lead Leeds United back into Europe with a step-by-step, realistic plan.

The Whites have made a strong start to life in the Premier League with 10 points from their opening seven games, including eye-catching performances against Manchester City and Liverpool.

Having shopped in the continental market for their biggest summer acquisitions, with Spanish international Rodrigo Moreno and Diego Llorente arriving for big money, Leeds have shown ambition in their transfer activity.

Behind the scenes, Orta has become an important figure in driving negotiations, to ensure Marcelo Bielsa has all the tools at his disposal to improve the team.

Explaining his long-term vision for the club, Orta has explained how he hopes to build the club into a side that plays European football but stressed that may take time.

"We have ambition in the good sense, with the idea to build this step by step," Orta told the BBC.

"Perhaps not the first year, perhaps not the second year, perhaps not in the third year, but my ambition is for Leeds United to play European football again.

"When I talk to play to convince them to join Leeds United, I say always the same. We're not making anything new, I don't want to put where Leeds United was, it's nothing new for them to play in European competitions.

"This is my goal but with realistic and ambition with step by step."

Orta's appearances in the Amazon documentary 'Take Us Home' has highlighted the Director of Football's incredible passion for the club.

He also thanked the fans for their amazing support to the football club and explained his unique connection with the city and the team.


"Football is the fans and football is for the people," Orta continued.

"Who creates this business, this relationship, is the fans. Who create all these things, it's the fans' love of the game.

And you don't want to miss a thing, right?

You won't miss anything from what could end up being a very special season.

"This industry is created by the fans, it is the only reality. We have to put in the same level as the fans. Leeds needs Leeds United but Leeds United needs Leeds more than anything.

"We need to go back to society and what they give to us because they're the reason I stay in my job, I can only be grateful. I can only make the best for me with mistakes, with failure, with success.

"You work for me and my group but I work to try and bring this club to its real position and make a lot of people happy, that is the fans.

"Now is my fourth season, the second club that I have more years now in my life, this is my real pride, I can sew myself in the ideas on the pitch, in my ideas outside the pitch.

"Leeds United are my life. Not in terms of professionally but in terms of proper life."



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« Svar #290 på: April 23, 2021, 21:36:09 »
Plasseres denne i Liverpolol-tråden glemmes den lett.

Her kan den imidlertid hentes frem igjen. :)

Det er mostanders journalister som opplever Orta for første gang, og det gjør inntrykk.  ;D ;D ;D

Watching on from the sidelines as per usual was director of football Victor Orta, who has been known for the demonstration of his unguarded feelings.

The Spaniard is an impassioned spectator, even coming to verbal blows with Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel earlier in the campaign from his lofty directors' perch.

This time around though, he would not only have his say by taking a stand against the so-called Super League, but also in alarming visiting journalists with his outbursts.


Liverpool Echo's chief football writer Ian Doyle witnessed Orta's antics for the very first time, and was taken aback by some of the outcries from the Leeds figure.

In his post-match talking points, Doyle wrote: "Those who haven't frequented Elland Road were warned what to expect. And, boy, were they right.

"Games behind closed doors have led to the discovery of all sorts of previously unheard sounds and outbursts.

"But nothing, nothing can compare to the volume and sheer annoyance value of Leeds' director of football Victor Orta, who has taken it upon himself to form a one-man support group in the absence of fans.

"Indeed, at one point he was responsible for a noise that could only be described as having the same anguish as a man passing a particularly sizeable kidney stone. Hope he's okay now, like."

Dubbed a 'one-man support group' with 'sheer annoyance value' is perhaps the best pair of descriptors applied to Leeds United's charismatic director this season.

Nevertheless, after alarming Leicester City journalists in a previous encounter, as well as Thomas Tuchel and no doubt countless others, Orta continues to ruffle Premier League feathers.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-victor-orta-outbursts-20451721
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« Svar #291 på: Juni 03, 2021, 23:04:35 »
Eg skal innrømme at eg var ei stund litt skeptisk til Orta. Fysteinntrykket mitt var kanskje... at han var litt glory-hunter? Masse prat? Brannskada unge skyr ilden. Arabarane sa dei riktige tinga, osv. Alle har sagt dei "riktige" tinga. Men eg har sterkt endra meining. Eg sitt med eit inntrykk av at han jobbar hardt, har maaaasse kunnskap, har god kjennskap kring kva spelarar som rørar på seg. Han bryr seg virkelig om klubben og prosjektet. Ben White syns eg står fram som den mest imponerande signeringen. Dette var ein spelar han hadde fulgt sidan White var 17 (?). Hadde aldri spelt i Championship men skulle erstatte Jansson, som tross alt hadde ein ganske sentral posisjon i laget der og då.

Sommarvinduet 2020 snakkar vel for seg sjølv, meiner eg. Koch har me ikkje fått sett stabilt inn på laget endå, men eg er overbevist om at det er ein strålande signering.

Eg forventar ikkje same pengebruk dette vindauget, men eg er grådig spent på dei som kjem inn!
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« Svar #292 på: Juni 08, 2021, 13:03:28 »
Dette her har jeg aldri hørt om før. Orta faller jo ikke nevneverdig i anseelse etter dette.

https://www.tv2.no/sport/14049002/

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« Svar #293 på: Juni 09, 2021, 18:11:56 »
Dette her har jeg aldri hørt om før. Orta faller jo ikke nevneverdig i anseelse etter dette.

https://www.tv2.no/sport/14049002/
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« Svar #294 på: Oktober 12, 2021, 10:05:04 »
Vi har før lest om at Orta og Bielsa har sine høylydte kranger (men respekterer hverandre veldig).

Her er det Orta og Radrizzani: :D :D :D

“I remember a tough meeting with Andrea, I remember it perfectly, in a Japanese restaurant. There was a famous F1 driver next to us. I’m not saying it got physical but the F1 driver nearly stood up to separate us.”

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« Svar #295 på: Oktober 12, 2021, 11:26:30 »
Vi har før lest om at Orta og Bielsa har sine høylydte kranger (men respekterer hverandre veldig).

Her er det Orta og Radrizzani: :D :D :D

“I remember a tough meeting with Andrea, I remember it perfectly, in a Japanese restaurant. There was a famous F1 driver next to us. I’m not saying it got physical but the F1 driver nearly stood up to separate us.”

https://twitter.com/j4brennan/status/1447811059570642944?s=20
To italienere diskuterer på japansk restaurant i England der, altså. Jeg ser av en eller annen grunn for meg Brian Blessed kommentere snooker.

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« Svar #296 på: Oktober 12, 2021, 13:06:56 »
Del 1 (av 4) der Victor Orta blir intervjuet av La Media Inglesa i Spana. Joe Brennan har oversatt det over fire deler.
Jeg har bare lest del èn så langt, fantastisk!

Og, han har forlengst skjønt det:
"We could fill Elland Road with Nordic fans!"

Victor Orta Full La Media Inglesa Interview: Part I

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Last Wednesday, Victor Orta did an hour-long interview with La Media Inglesa in Spain. Joe Brennan has translated the interview and we will be releasing it in four parts here. In Part I, Orta talks about the process behind his recruitment, the 62 point dossier a fan sent him details his mistakes last season, and the way Marcelo Bielsa has been received in Leeds.

 The next three parts will be out over the next three days.

Q: Thank you for your time and the warm welcome to Leeds. I wanted to start with the question of the urban legend of Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll. Is it true? [That FSG’s “Moneyball” strategy consisted of them deciding to sign Downing and Carroll on the basis that they wanted the best crosser and best header of the ball in the league].
Well, I think like every urban legend it must have some grain of truth to it. Someone in the club told me it and it was clearly the approach of the American owners; there are good and bad American owners in everything: the 49ers are extraordinary, the best [laughs]. But it was bit what they thought would be easy to do. I was eating dinner with Stewart and never dared ask him. It’s all out there, you can find articles on it.
I suppose like every urban legend it will have some truth and some fiction in it. But what’s clear is that it didn’t work out. I think the statistical side of things wasn’t so developed back then but now it’s completely different, it’s really a simplification but not unreal, it seems truthful to me; someone from inside the club told me and he has no reason to lie to me.

Q: Hopefully it is true! We have a list here [in the Legends Lounge at Elland Road] of all the captains of Leeds United. My question: is it important to have in mind the history of the club when you arrive as sporting director of a club?
Yes, without a doubt. It was our biggest failing in the first year. When Andrea bought the club he presented to us the project — a club that needed a medium term project, developing players, a young manager — an important club model. I knew the history of Leeds but didn’t know the current situation. I’d lived in England and had lots of data and with there always being something in the news, whether it be a scandal or bad news.

In the first year we had a good first 6 months before a match against Birmingham it was 0–0 on the 21st of December, Pablo hits the post in the 79th minute and they score in the 82nd; if we’d have scored we’d have been second at the end of the year. Then, a lot of bad things happened over that period, like the incident with Samu Sáiz that was very relevant, because he was a very good player for us. It was then I realised that there was a demand for promotion that was absolutely incredible.

I still get them but then I was getting 10–15 death threats a week! Things like “go now” or “this isn’t working”. I had a very tough meeting with Andrea, I remember it perfectly, in a Japanese restaurant. There was a famous F1 driver next to us and I’m not saying that it got physical but there was a moment in which the F1 driver nearly got up to separate us because we were shouting so much, but it was because of the passion. We wanted to talk about what club model we wanted; I had an offer to go back to Spain — he knew that, I’d told him — and I was doubting whether or not to go back.'

So after that and, above all, due to the intelligence of Angus Kinnear, we decided on the model of the project that we wanted. I told Andrea that Leeds is a not a club that you can come in a do a medium-term project, relaxed, wait and see what happens with, for instance, Jay Roy Grot, having 2 good seasons, sell him for double etc, no. It’s a club that has a historic demand and a historic weight that is incredible.

I had the feeling that — and I still do now — that for Leeds fans over 50 felt sick watching the Champions League, that it gave them a rash because they had lived a glorious period in which Leeds United had dominated as the champions of the country. The 30–50-year-olds were on a rollercoaster going from seeing their team in the UCL semi-finals to playing in League One and even losing to Doncaster at Wembley. The ones younger than 30 were tired of hearing their grandparents and parents talk about it when they hadn’t even seen one Premier League game at Elland Road. It’s the historic demand that I think happens in Spain with some clubs in the second division.

We had to battle against the parachute payments since clubs could even keep their Premier League players while in the second division; the gap was huge so we had to go for a manager who could reduce that difference, one who went over the general pay-grade for a Championship manager and who was at the top level, also while moving towards a much more immediate model of transfers. We could do that and work with the under 20/23s and have a very young model — for example, Pascal is now in the first team — but the first team had to be immediate with loans or whatever made an immediate impact to get promotion.

Everything ended up with Marcelo Bielsa’s name and it was either going to be an amazing success or a trip to the hospital; fortunately, it went well.

Q: Now that you have mentioned Marcelo’s name, what were those first few months like after he got there in terms of the new experience? How did you perceive everything in terms of the playing style, the fans, etc?
First I have to thank the fact that the club put everything behind this from my initial obsession, everyone from Mark Bromley the facilities manager to Angus Kinnear, the CEO. They created an atmosphere to get the best results and the club responded; I feel very proud of the club in all senses from Mandy Walker in ticket sales to Patrick Bamford who scores the goals. The club understood it was a historic moment, we put in a lot of hours not having the best wages in any position not even for the Championship, just having a common goal. I feel very proud of that.

The English model of players is an obedient one; it’s a player that trains and sees the coach as a teacher, with that distance. It happened at Boro with Aitor [Karanka]. I said, “Aitor, you have a problem, it’s hard for you to ask them to train better because they’re already doing it”. I didn’t see one bad training session at Boro even during bad results and it’s the same at Leeds. The English type of person is one who trains well, who puts a lot of effort in. So to get a coach that emphasises all of that will be responded to well.

There’s the story that we were all watching Bielsa’s first match against Stoke all of the staff and honestly we, myself included, would’ve all been happy with the draw: a 1–1 or a 0–0, Marcelo’s first game and Stoke had just come down from the Premier League, it was on TV all over the UK. In the end, it was a great game we won 3–1 and we could feel the confidence right there.

There’s one thing that happens with Marcelo is that what he says comes true, it’s how his players get confidence in him. He says that match X is going to go this way, and it does; it’s a question of work rate, he is not a magician, he works a lot, he analyses a lot and that gave us confidence. The first season ended how it did and we were capable of overcoming the semi-final loss and getting promoted the following year winning the title.

Of course, there were doubts, well not so much doubts, but in football everything is a challenge and you’re always living on a knife-edge. I’m sure the guys who sent me those letters in the first season see me on the street now and say “Orta! Legend!” it’s all part of it and you have to be absolutely respectful to everything. We’re in football, loving football, you have to be stood on the front line, you have to feel that if you don’t take up the challenge then you might as well go and focus on something else

Q: You said you still receive those letters?
Well, this summer I got one titled: 62 points why I disagree with your first season in the Premier League. 62! You have to have a lot of free time to do that!

Q: He didn’t want to kill you then?
I think it was the same handwriting! And in 30 of those points, I agree with them! By the way, they never come with return addresses; if you’re watching please send your address next time and I’ll send you a shirt or a keyring or something.

Q: Of all 62 points there must have been some funny ones.
Of all the 62 points of course there were some funny ones — the person blamed me for the pitch! Come on! Not everything! They said something about the seats in the dressing rooms being the worst in the Premier League, give us time! We’ve had a pandemic and now this summer we have changed the pitch to a new one that cost a lot of money and everything. That’s the level of the club — it’s a Latin club, it’s a Latin club.

Q: I get the feeling that Bielsa is very demanding. And listening to you, you sound very identified with the club. So I wanted to ask: what’s special about Leeds that makes everyone who works here feel so content?
I had luck in my time in football with the clubs I was at. I’ve always been at clubs with great emotional strength. Valladolid, Sevilla — 7 years in Sevilla where it runs through your veins, it’s so strong. I have seen amazing things there, the whole stadium singing, finals. The same for Elche, they had 20,000 season ticket holders, crazy. But I do see the difference with Leeds.

The one-club city thing? It’s real. We are the biggest city in the UK with only one club and that club turns into a religion, a sect. I still get surprised by it, one normal Tuesday we play in the second round of the league cup and 7,000 guys from Leeds end up going [vs Fulham]. OK, fair enough 3000 of them could live in London and they miss their club but we got 35,000 guys in here in the first round against Crewe Alexandra.

It’s a generational thing, very Latin, a place where they feel a genuine passion for football. They show it on every corner; Leeds United is on every corner of Yorkshire. I like it both in the good and bad sense: we’re in football and we work here and luckily we get paid better or worse and we have a quality of life that’s better or not but we get it from football.

What I love is that you can generate so many feelings for people. Do you know what it’s like to wake up the day after promotion and feel like you’ve made a million people happy all over the world? I made the joke about the letters but I get them from Norway, Sweden. In the 1980s when they put the Premier League on the TV over there and then with Bakke and the others they got a lot of fans from them. We could fill Elland Road with Nordic fans and you can feel the feelings they have and you have the responsibility on your shoulders to give that feeling back. How? By doing things the best way possible.

Nobody can promise success because we’re in football and nobody can. But you have the responsibility to try and the club gives you it back. It makes me proud. For me, Leeds is a club that returns those feelings and I’ll tell you clearly it would be very, very difficult for me to work in another club in English football. And I say difficult to not say practically impossible; I feel so intensely what the club gave to me and that is why I have to appreciate all of that

Q: A question from a Spanish perspective and even a Latin American one, it’s something that everyone is interested in. How did and the Leeds fans receive Bielsa and how do they now?
He is like a messianic figure for so many people.
They’re only like that with their idols, Gary Speed, Yeboah, he came here the other day, so did Lucas Radebe, it was incredible. The statue of Revie, of Billy Bremner. I think that’s a very English thing in general, the education of the interpretation of history, we’re here in the Legends Lounge which is a room dedicated to players throughout the history. There is a sense of respect and knowledge about the history of the clubs that I feel proud to be part of it in English football.

I don’t want to compare because I love Spanish football but here there is that feeling of respect for history as a way of identification: ask a 14-year-old kid about Billy Bremner. He won’t have hardly seen any YouTube videos of him but he’ll tell you everything about him.

Look at Eddie Gray, he’s a club ambassador. He gets stopped in the street but by 20-year-olds; look at his goal against Burnely that’s painted in the middle of town. I feel that in English football, when you give to [the fans], they give you everything back. In every club there is that concept of legend, you have legends dinners, it’s quite reverential. And then here of course you’ve got all of that but multiplied with the passion that I mentioned before.

In the end, you have to be honest, I am not saying Leeds was mistreated, being the north, etc., but Leeds has always been an undervalued city, one based on immigration, working-class people, the mines, the industrial revolution. Not undervalued, but considered secondary in some aspects by the rest of the UK. So, 60 years ago, the only image of Leeds as a success was the club and that is a self-fed pride of saying we’re not London but we’re part of the UK, we generate GDP as well.

This is the north. This is what you feel, that social identification is done through your football club and for these people that is what Leeds United is, vindicating yourself and saying ‘here we are’.
Part II of this interview will be released tomorrow.

https://allstatsarentwe.medium.com/victor-orta-full-la-media-inglesa-interview-part-i-d02dd985d304
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« Svar #297 på: Oktober 13, 2021, 11:49:46 »
Del 1 (av 4) der Victor Orta blir intervjuet av La Media Inglesa i Spana. Joe Brennan har oversatt det over fire deler.
Jeg har bare lest del èn så langt, fantastisk!

Og, han har forlengst skjønt det:
"We could fill Elland Road with Nordic fans!"

Victor Orta Full La Media Inglesa Interview: Part I


Del 2, mye om sportsdirektørrollen - så godt som ingenting Leedsrelatert...

https://allstatsarentwe.medium.com/victor-orta-full-la-media-inglesa-interview-part-ii-4d6e65aab00e
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« Svar #298 på: Oktober 16, 2021, 11:05:41 »
Del 1 (av 4) der Victor Orta blir intervjuet av La Media Inglesa i Spana. Joe Brennan har oversatt det over fire deler.
Jeg har bare lest del èn så langt, fantastisk!

Og, han har forlengst skjønt det:
"We could fill Elland Road with Nordic fans!"

Victor Orta Full La Media Inglesa Interview: Part I


Del 2, mye om sportsdirektørrollen - så godt som ingenting Leedsrelatert...

https://allstatsarentwe.medium.com/victor-orta-full-la-media-inglesa-interview-part-ii-4d6e65aab00e

Del 3
Å signere en spiller. Prosessen bak, ...og tilfeldighetene

https://allstatsarentwe.medium.com/victor-orta-full-la-media-inglesa-interview-part-iii-899f0cb2aa19
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