EX-eier: Ken Bates

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kongsmo

Quote from: lojosang on September 02, 2011, 20:28:27
Quote from: Mikkel on September 02, 2011, 20:20:40
Ken Bates : "But we've still got a substantial sum which is about £1.75m net over a year and that goes into Simon's Grayson's (transfer) pot."

Så SG har en transfer pot......Neppe.



Jeg tror de har brukt pengene på pot som Grayson røyker hver gang en overgang går i vasken.  ;D

hahaha årets beste så langt       :D :D
"SNIFFER"

jackbauer68

Quote from: CardiganArms on September 02, 2011, 10:14:47
fant ingen god tråd for dette, men innholdet tatt i betraktning..virker ikke denne er feil liksom  ;)
ønsker bare å formidle/dele en epost jeg fikk igår fra en kompis i Leeds..
"
Hi Bjorn
How are you doing.

I got your text â€" unfortunately I cannot tell you anything that is positive.

Woody hears stories and then nothing happens. We were supposed to sign 4 players before the start of the season.

We have a chairman who is trying to everything on the cheap, he will not pay players the money that they want and other clubs are willing to pay.

He has no interest in the football part of the club â€" all he is bothered about is his corporate boxes, hotel and casino.

We are getting good money in through transfer fees, tv revenues, and gate receipts â€" NONE of that money has been made available for buying new players. It has all disappeared into the Bates black hole.

My optimism went 2 weeks into the start of the season â€" we will finish lower than mid table (at the best)

I need a drink"




Da har du vel svart at du er grunnleggende uenig med din venn??  :-\

lojosang

Quote from: kongsmo aka Allan"Sniffer"Clarke on September 02, 2011, 20:36:25
Quote from: lojosang on September 02, 2011, 20:28:27
Quote from: Mikkel on September 02, 2011, 20:20:40
Ken Bates : "But we've still got a substantial sum which is about £1.75m net over a year and that goes into Simon's Grayson's (transfer) pot."

Så SG har en transfer pot......Neppe.

Jeg tror de har brukt pengene på pot som Grayson røyker hver gang en overgang går i vasken.  ;D

hahaha årets beste så langt       :D :D

Jeg er jo ikke helt enig med meg selv, da, men man skal aldri la tro og sånt komme i veien for et godt ordspill.  8)
- Leif Olav

Kato

Bates sier pengene fra Gradel-salget skal rett i transfer-potten til Grayson.

Sjokk at det utspillet kommer dagen etter at transfervinduet er stengt.

 

Gufrias

Quote from: Kato on September 03, 2011, 08:01:35
Bates sier pengene fra Gradel-salget skal rett i transfer-potten til Grayson.

Sjokk at det utspillet kommer dagen etter at transfervinduet er stengt.


Nå kan det jo hende at Grayson visste det før oss?
Hekta på Leeds siden 1974

Promotion 2010

Quote from: Gufrias on September 03, 2011, 09:53:23
Quote from: Kato on September 03, 2011, 08:01:35
Bates sier pengene fra Gradel-salget skal rett i transfer-potten til Grayson.

Sjokk at det utspillet kommer dagen etter at transfervinduet er stengt.


Nå kan det jo hende at Grayson visste det før oss?

Nei nei, vi skal ta alle for alt! Ikke noe tro på at noe foregår bak kulissene!  ;)
Min første Leeds-kamp:
Strømsgodset vs Leeds, 19.september 1973

Gufrias

Quote from: Promotion 2010 on September 03, 2011, 10:18:23
Quote from: Gufrias on September 03, 2011, 09:53:23
Quote from: Kato on September 03, 2011, 08:01:35
Bates sier pengene fra Gradel-salget skal rett i transfer-potten til Grayson.

Sjokk at det utspillet kommer dagen etter at transfervinduet er stengt.


Nå kan det jo hende at Grayson visste det før oss?

Nei nei, vi skal ta alle for alt! Ikke noe tro på at noe foregår bak kulissene!  ;)
Ikke ****skap en gang?
Hekta på Leeds siden 1974

Leifen

Der er aldri kjedelig å være Leeds supporter ( siden 1970 ), men nå røyner det litt på.
Spillet har tatt seg opp etter Southampton og Middlesbrough. Det bekymrer meg mer at vi ikke evner å få tak i spillere og beholde spillere. Det er et tankekors at hadde vi satset litt mer forrige sesong så hadde vi i hverfall nådd play off. Dersom Bates hadde brukt litt penger hadde han tjent enda mer penger. ( Premier League ) Det nytter ikke å spare seg til Premier League, når man ser hvilke summer Leicester bruker ( Beckford o.s.v ) så føler jeg at Leeds ikke ønsker suksess sterkt nok. Stadig spillere som vi er nødt til å selge billig, fordi kontraktene går ut. Bates sa at Gradel skulle kun selges dersom noen kom med et kjempetilbud ( " silly money " ) 1.75 mill pund er nettopp silly money. Det blir da lånemarkedet neste, og noe bra kan hentes der. Men det er bare lån, det er ikke spillere som har valgt Leeds. Vi får håpe at det går rette veien, det er en lang sesong og mye kan skje. Becchio er snart klar og det er positivt, men skal vi beholde våre beste spillere må vi kjempe i toppen. Alle fans og byen Leeds fortjener noe bedre enn hva tilfellet er i dag.

Gufrias

Quote from: Leifen on September 03, 2011, 16:37:25
Det er et tankekors at hadde vi satset litt mer forrige sesong så hadde vi i hverfall nådd play off. Dersom Bates hadde brukt litt penger hadde han tjent enda mer penger. ( Premier League )
Hvis Leeds hadde satset mer i forrige sesong, hadde de kanskje nådd playoff. Og kanskje rykket opp dit de store pengene er. Men det kunne fortsatt ha mislyktes, sånn som det gjorde for Cardiff, Leicester, Forest og Boro.

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Bates sa at Gradel skulle kun selges dersom noen kom med et kjempetilbud ( " silly money " ) 1.75 mill pund er nettopp silly money.
Jeg tror nok at "silly money" suspenderes når spilleren ber om å bli solgt. Endrede forutsetninger må man bare leve med.
Hekta på Leeds siden 1974

Leedsfan

I scored 24 goals helping my side win promotion back to the Premier League aged just 22. Then in my first season in the top flight I had bagged an impressive 15 goals by the end of January. My form earned me an England call-up. Am I a £35m striker? No. I am Michael Ricketts, February 2002.

B_Ød

Quote from: jackbauer68 on September 02, 2011, 20:37:01
Quote from: CardiganArms on September 02, 2011, 10:14:47
fant ingen god tråd for dette, men innholdet tatt i betraktning..virker ikke denne er feil liksom  ;)
ønsker bare å formidle/dele en epost jeg fikk igår fra en kompis i Leeds..
"
Hi Bjorn
How are you doing.

I got your text â€" unfortunately I cannot tell you anything that is positive.

Woody hears stories and then nothing happens. We were supposed to sign 4 players before the start of the season.

We have a chairman who is trying to everything on the cheap, he will not pay players the money that they want and other clubs are willing to pay.

He has no interest in the football part of the club â€" all he is bothered about is his corporate boxes, hotel and casino.

We are getting good money in through transfer fees, tv revenues, and gate receipts â€" NONE of that money has been made available for buying new players. It has all disappeared into the Bates black hole.

My optimism went 2 weeks into the start of the season â€" we will finish lower than mid table (at the best)

I need a drink"




Da har du vel svart at du er grunnleggende uenig med din venn??  :-\
nja...kan vel ikke være det vel...
Ups & Ups!!

Jon R

Quote from: Leedsfan on September 03, 2011, 18:30:14





Likte best det bildet fra ca 1905 der han ligner på en middelaldrende George Best.  
Jon R.


fmtj

Leeds United: Whites fans demand answers






Published on Wednesday 7 September 2011 11:51



Check out a postbag special from Leeds United fans. What do you think? Post your thoughts and opinions.


WITH the continued destruction of Leeds United, a once proud and great football club, by Ken Bates I, along with many other fans of the club, would like to have a few questions answered.

1. What is his short and long term plans for the club â€" on and off the pitch?

2. Where has all the transfer money gone?

3. What percentage will be re-invested in the squad?

4. Why are the fans made to pay such high admission prices and there is little or no money spent on players?

5. If he does not have the money to take the club forward why does he not officially put the club up for sale?

6. Why does he call fans morons who object to his running of the club by protesting and in the programme notes he rants on about just about everything from single mums to the Chinese Olympic team?

The fans now want some answers.

Peter Barry, by email


We’re not Chelsea

I’M a fan of Leeds United but I am dismayed at the recent events. When you’re trying to better yourself you don’t sell the ‘family silver’ to do it.

We all know Ken Bates has no love for the fans and says through his mouthpiece, Yorkshire Radio, just what he likes.

Is there not somebody out there in Leeds who, with some business partners, can drive this man from our club?

We are supported fantastically home and away and worldwide and these people, and the city of Leeds, deserve to be treated with respect, something not in Mr Bates’ dictionary.

We have a great young manager who I think must be nearing the time when he says enough is enough and quits too and I would not blame him for doing this.

This is from the heart, I’m worried that, come May, we may be back in Division 1 with a lovely new stand but precious little else.

We are Leeds, not another Chelsea !

Keith Ingham, Keighley


Team needs investment

I THINK Ken Bates would do a lot better for Leeds United if he put his money where his mouth is, instead of building boxes and casinos and shops. He wants to invest some of his millions into players to develop a great team that the supporters deserve.

I am fed up of listening to him spouting about about he is helping Leeds United and also how tight Leeds folk are. I suggest, Mr Bates, you should go back to Monaco and count your money because you’ve no intention of spending it on players to put Leeds where they belong â€" in the Premiership.

Latterly we had a Yorkshire chairman called Harry Reynolds who backed Don Revie and Leeds went from strength to strength. So my suggestion to you, Mr Bates, is just go to Monaco and just let Yorkshire people march on together.

Peter Walton, Ring Road, Middleton


No need to spend millions

I HAVE just read the interview with Bill Fotherby in the YEP stating we should spend millions with an open cheque book, all I can say Bill is what planet are you on?

I have supported Leeds for over 50 years, am a season ticket holder, and, as the song says, ‘’we have had our ups and downs’’. Please what you are saying is beyond belief, we do not want any more downs, we have just got over Peter Ridsdale, now we have you telling us how to spend our money. As I see it, why no go back to Harrogate Town and practise what you say, spend your money there, they could do with it?

While I’m not sure about Ken Bates, he has turned our club round. Maybe we could do with one or two star names but Ken and Simon Grayson have improved the team year by year without spending the millions we don’t have, so please don’t suggest giving anybody an open cheque book, not unless it is from your own bank account.

Lawrie Gregson, by email


Au revoir, Max

YET again we have a further illustration of player loyalty with the transfer of Max “hothead” Gradel to St Etienne to further his career; he unfortunately fails to recognise that his career was kick-started by LUFC after his time at Leicester and faith maintained despite his continued bouts of recklessness and impetuosity on so many occasions without any due thought for his team mates; he has very definitely not repaid this faith.

Without doubt Max will be a loss but it is so very frustrating to the team and supporters alike that so many individuals just could not give due consideration or allegiance, the “I’m all right Jack” philosophy prevails.

Well gone are the days when so-called football stars thought about anyone but themselves

Max, very best wishes in France but I doubt your “je ne sais quois” qualities are that attractive!

Phil Roche, Garforth


Same excuses

WE hear the same old excuses week in week out, we need a new defender or we will sort it on the training ground.

I think Simon Grayson should look nearer home as he and his staff don’t seem able to sort it. It might not be the players that need changing, it might be the management team that we need to get rid of.

Stop blaming the players, look at yourselves first.

John O’Brien, by email
Yeboahs vitne

lojosang

"Latterly we had..."

Latterly?

Hvor gammel er denne Walton-fyren? Trehundre? Seksti- og søttitallet er ikke "latterly" lenger.  ::)
- Leif Olav

newsome

Quote from: lojosang on September 07, 2011, 13:45:14
"Latterly we had..."

Latterly?

Hvor gammel er denne Walton-fyren? Trehundre? Seksti- og søttitallet er ikke "latterly" lenger.  ::)
Var det det første som slo deg etter å ha lest gjennom dette?????
Godt gjort!!!!

Noen her som ser store linjer   :o

lojosang

Quote from: newsome on September 07, 2011, 14:50:46
Quote from: lojosang on September 07, 2011, 13:45:14
"Latterly we had..."

Latterly?

Hvor gammel er denne Walton-fyren? Trehundre? Seksti- og søttitallet er ikke "latterly" lenger.  ::)
Var det det første som slo deg etter å ha lest gjennom dette?????
Godt gjort!!!!

Noen her som ser store linjer   :o

Nei, det som slo best var denne :

QuoteNo need to spend millions

I HAVE just read the interview with Bill Fotherby in the YEP stating we should spend millions with an open cheque book, all I can say Bill is what planet are you on?

I have supported Leeds for over 50 years, am a season ticket holder, and, as the song says, ‘’we have had our ups and downs’’. Please what you are saying is beyond belief, we do not want any more downs, we have just got over Peter Ridsdale, now we have you telling us how to spend our money. As I see it, why no go back to Harrogate Town and practise what you say, spend your money there, they could do with it?

While I’m not sure about Ken Bates, he has turned our club round. Maybe we could do with one or two star names but Ken and Simon Grayson have improved the team year by year without spending the millions we don’t have, so please don’t suggest giving anybody an open cheque book, not unless it is from your own bank account.

Lawrie Gregson, by email
- Leif Olav

DenHviteYeboah

Quote from: lojosang on September 07, 2011, 16:03:28
Quote from: newsome on September 07, 2011, 14:50:46
Quote from: lojosang on September 07, 2011, 13:45:14
"Latterly we had..."

Latterly?

Hvor gammel er denne Walton-fyren? Trehundre? Seksti- og søttitallet er ikke "latterly" lenger.  ::)
Var det det første som slo deg etter å ha lest gjennom dette?????
Godt gjort!!!!

Noen her som ser store linjer   :o

Nei, det som slo best var denne :

QuoteNo need to spend millions

I HAVE just read the interview with Bill Fotherby in the YEP stating we should spend millions with an open cheque book, all I can say Bill is what planet are you on?

I have supported Leeds for over 50 years, am a season ticket holder, and, as the song says, ‘’we have had our ups and downs’’. Please what you are saying is beyond belief, we do not want any more downs, we have just got over Peter Ridsdale, now we have you telling us how to spend our money. As I see it, why no go back to Harrogate Town and practise what you say, spend your money there, they could do with it?

While I’m not sure about Ken Bates, he has turned our club round. Maybe we could do with one or two star names but Ken and Simon Grayson have improved the team year by year without spending the millions we don’t have, so please don’t suggest giving anybody an open cheque book, not unless it is from your own bank account.

Lawrie Gregson, by email
Merker meg at du ikke nevnte de kritiske spørsmålene.jaja, det er opp til hver enkelt å lese hva man vil......

newsome

Ikke at jeg tror eller stoler på Bates!
Legger dette inn allikevel.

http://www.thesquareball.net/what-ken-said/2011/09/07/fry-ups-and-downs/

sportcarl1

 

4ever arcticwhite

Quote from: newsome on September 07, 2011, 22:47:55
Ikke at jeg tror eller stoler på Bates!
Legger dette inn allikevel.

http://www.thesquareball.net/what-ken-said/2011/09/07/fry-ups-and-downs/
For de som ikke orker å lese alt, her er det han sier om "Transfer pot":
BF: You talk about the transfer pot. Does that actually then include any payments which can be made towards loan deals which can be done from tomorrow?

KB: Oh yeah, oh yes. In fact, we already have two of them now. We already have Keogh and we have O’Dea and they are included in the budget. I’ve explained it before and I’ll explain it again. And I’ll do it slowly for the benefit of those people who don’t really want to hear. (Speaks slowly) Simon has a budget every year. On top of that budget, if he’s sold a player, like Schmeichel, it’s added to the budget. If he buys a player like Lonergan, then what we pay for Lonergan is deducted from the budget. Now the money we get for Max Gradel goes into Simon’s budget. That’s how it works. That budget also means wages. So if we extend a player’s contract at an increased sum that comes out of the budget. And of course sometimes you sign players on free transfers and pay high wages. Sometimes you sign players and you have to pay a transfer fee and lower wages. All comes out of the same pot
The future's so White I've got to wear shades 8)

h.b

Det jeg reagerer på er at det blie hevdet at Grayson har fått penger til å hente spillere når..... sier at lønn er i den kategorien. Da er det å holde oss for narr. Hvis Grayson får f.eks 2 mill pund til denne potten sin. Ja da skal det være 2 mill pund til kjøp, Alt det andre går under daglig drift og er ikke noe Grayson har noe med. Det er det andre i klubben som styrer.
Realiteten her er at ..... sier det på den måten til Grayson. Du får f.eks 2 mill pund til nye spillere. Du har valget mellom å bruke det på 1 spiller i kjøp eller flere spillere på lån. Ditt valg Simon. Men dette er realitetene. Grayson tenker da enkelt. Jeg låner

Joe Jordan

"I'll do it slowly". For ei rotte. Hva med lønnsnivå og andre betingelser? Det er jo her det strander gang på gang.

'If they hadn't scored, we would've won.' - Howard Wilkinson

B_Ød

hvis dette er måten det blir gjort på trenger vi vel strengt tatt en manager som er bedre på økonomistyring enn fotball...finner modellen her litt snodig må jeg si, men greit for KB, da han på denne måten fraskriver seg alt ansvar, men elegant legger dette på en allerede (tror jeg) overarbeidet SG.
Ups & Ups!!

lojosang

Quote from: CardiganArms on September 08, 2011, 09:36:22
hvis dette er måten det blir gjort på trenger vi vel strengt tatt en manager som er bedre på økonomistyring enn fotball...finner modellen her litt snodig må jeg si, men greit for KB, da han på denne måten fraskriver seg alt ansvar, men elegant legger dette på en allerede (tror jeg) overarbeidet SG.

Du framstiller dette som om det må løses ikkelineære differensialligninger over en lav sko. Dette er såpass enkel matematikk at en fjerdeklassing burde kunne gjøre det. Hvis bruken av alle fire regnearter er for mye for den jevne engelske fotballmanager får han rett og slett forbli head coach.

Og hvis avsløringen om at en manager må kunne bruke et excelark eller lignende er nok til å formørke hverdagen for en Leedssupporter er det neiggu ikke rart mange sliter med å se lyspunkter i Leedsfantilværelsen.
- Leif Olav

h.b

Det er ikke en managers jobb å se på det økonomiske. Det er det økonomiansvarlig som har som jobb. En manager trenger ikke å kunne regne. Det er ikke hans jobb. En managers job er å få laget til å spille på den måten at de vinner. Og det å hente inn rett spillere.

Sydhagen

Nå sier vel Bates at det er Grayson som peker ut spillerne han vil ha, så er det Shaun Harvey som gjør forhandlingene. Så det er vel strengt tatt Harvey som har ansvaret for hvordan transferpotten (lønn og overgangssum) blir brukt.

Men Bates fraskriver seg ansvar her, helt klart!
"Paynter, a striker whose danger factor is akin to a blind sniper, who has no fingers, or a gun."

B_Ød

Quote from: lojosang on September 08, 2011, 10:15:19
Du framstiller dette som om det må løses ikkelineære differensialligninger over en lav sko. Dette er såpass enkel matematikk at en fjerdeklassing burde kunne gjøre det. Hvis bruken av alle fire regnearter er for mye for den jevne engelske fotballmanager får han rett og slett forbli head coach.
Og hvis avsløringen om at en manager må kunne bruke et excelark eller lignende er nok til å formørke hverdagen for en Leedssupporter er det neiggu ikke rart mange sliter med å se lyspunkter i Leedsfantilværelsen.
Mulig det, helt utilsiktet i så fall, da jeg ikke vet hva "ikkelineære differensialligninger" er for noe. Hovedpoenget mitt i denne bates-tråd, var vel at denne typen styring ikke burde inngå i en managers daglige virke..mener jeg. Hvis det er slik at det står mellom KB og SG da det gjelder den økonomiske styringen av klubben, velger jeg KB, da jeg mener og tror at denne har bedre forutsetninger på området, pluss at jeg ønsker å skylde alt galt på KB, samtidig som jeg vil frede SG.
Ellers, ser jeg på meg selv som positiv jeg, .."naivt positiv" er jeg vel faktisk også blitt kalt, men at det blir lengre og lengre mellom lyspunktene..joa, det gjør det.
Ups & Ups!!

Dennis

#688
Bates kan arresteres på mye, men på det faktum at lønnsnivået på spillere (nye og eventuelle kontrakter) også går inn på det sporstlige budsjettet? Og - om man skal tro han selvsagt, det blir en annen diskusjon - så sier han jo at dersom Andy Lonergan kjøpes, blir overgangssum og lønn trukket fra budsjettet, men på samme tid vil overgangssummen og lønnen til Kasper Schmeichel legges TIL. Det kan vel ikke være en overraskelse?

Ser heller ikke problemet for Graysons mattekunnskaper her! Selger han for 1 mill pund og trekker fra ukelønnen til spilleren, har han 1 mill + X hundre tusen i lønn å kjøpe (og lønne) for. Om det blir vanskelig, kan han vel spørre Harvey hvor mye et er igjen i pengepungen? (Ikke stort, blir kanskje svaret uansett? ;))

Kan ikke begripe annet enn at det er ganske likt i andre klubber (som har en viss styring på pengene sine vel og merke ::)).

PS: Igjen, lagt til grunn at det faktisk er et budsjett Grayson opererer ut i fra og at pengene faktisk legges til for salg. Det er vel heller usikkert!
Marching on together!

B_Ød

vel, da koker det ned til hvem man velger tro på.
Ups & Ups!!