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Nytt T.P.N. med disse tallene er på vei ut, og det er som flere påpeker kraftig overvekt av scoringer de siste 10-15 minuttene.

Tror ikke ar dette er tilfeldig, selv om tendensen neppe vil være like markant videre utover sesongen.

Sandinista

quote:Originally posted by HåvardK

Husker vi slet voldsomt mot Gills i ligacupen for fire-fem år siden. Men har glemt hva deres daværende spillende manager het - en temmelig hard negl. Tipper Jon, veteranen og Asbjørn(among others)kan hjelpe meg. Hvem blir først?

Andy Hessenthaler?

[liker]

For de av dere som liker Pondus er det vel gode nyheter at T.P.N. kommer med en stripe Pondus pr. nr. fra neste nummer av...

God tur Ola og dere andre!

Sverre - litt misunnelig...

Skal prøve å være på plass.  Spennende kamp i vente mot topplaget i League Two (vi er alltid uheldige i trekningene...). [8D]

[Ridsdale offers to quit Cardiff]

Peter Ridsdale har nå tilbudt seg å trekke seg fra Cardiff.  Hadde vi ikke en egen tråd om "Klubber i Krise; Cardiff" her på OEF?  Fant den ikke, og bruker derfor denne.  Reagerte spesielt på tredje  siste setning...




Ridsdale offers to quit Cardiff  

Peter Ridsdale has offered to quit Cardiff
Cardiff chairman Peter Ridsdale has offered to quit the club because he is fed up with abuse from supporters.
He confirmed to BBC Wales he feels he is being driven out by fans who he says want former chairman and owner Sam Hammam back in charge of the club.

"I am getting more stick for saving Cardiff City than I did when things went wrong at Leeds," said Ridsdale.

"If the fans want Sam Hammam back in charge, as many of them are telling me, then maybe they should have him."

Former Leeds chairman Ridsdale, who openly talks to supporters and hands out his mobile number, said a number of abusive texts have pushed him to the brink.

Some have called for the return of Hammam, with one text saying: "We want Sam Hammam back."

Criticise me by all means, but don't keep telling me you want Sam Hammam back

Cardiff chairman Peter Ridsdale

Ridsdale offered his resignation at a board meeting but was unanimously turned down by the club's directors.

"Right now, I feel like walking away," he said. "The future for the football club would be bleak, maybe even liquidation.

"Do I want to do that? No, I really am passionate about what's happening.

"Am I being driven away? Yes. I believe I am."

When Ridsdale arrived at Ninian Park in 2005, Cardiff were losing £9m a year and had debts of £30m with the new stadium project looking in tatters.

Hammam left the club last October so that new investors could come in and sold his stake two months later, leaving former Leeds chairman Ridsdale to take control.

But last month Cardiff were threatened with court action over a £24m loan from Cardiff backers Langston, taken out by Hammam.

Langston's solicitors, Hextalls, claim the club's board was mismanaging its finances and misleading supporters and said the money had to be paid immediately.

But Ridsdale said all contact with Langston had been made through Hammam and insisted the loan is not due to be paid back until 2016.

"People ring me saying when Sam Hammam left we were top of the Championship, but Sam Hammam could not even sign cheques for two years," he said.

"It was me who brought in Michael Chopra, Stephen McPhail and more.

606: DEBATE
The only people who have something to say about PR are bitter Leeds fans, and for Sam coming back that should send a chill thorugh the spine of any Cardiff fan

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"The progress since those days has been unbelievable.

"Criticise me by all means, but don't keep telling me you want Sam Hammam back.

"I have put half a million pounds of my own money into this football club.

"I have done that because I believe in what is happening here.

"How much of his own money did Sam Hammam put in?"

...har trukket seg.  Det var vel neppe (bare) resultatet mot RBK som gjorde dette, men snarere lang tids uenighet med Roman.

Spennende å se hvem de henter for å erstatte ham! []

quote:Originally posted by lu38s

Tak for det Sverre, betyder det at i har registreret at han har betalt i April ?

lu38s

Ja, det betyr det, Frank.  Alt i orden.

quote:Originally posted by lu38s

Jeg har skrevet 2 gange til Sverre, og 2 gange til Tor... Ang. status på medlem no. 7617 Frantz Petersen Danmark, men får ingen svar ? Så nu prøver jeg denne her måde, han indbetalte i April. Men har ikke fået det seneste medlemsblad. ? Er i ligeglade eller hvad, jeg betaler ikke selv for mit medlemskab før jeg har fået et svar, eller i svarer Frantz direkte.... jeg har trods alt væretmedlem siden 1984.... er ikke begejstret for den behandling..
vh. Frank Aagaard, Dabmark, medlems No. 444

lu38s

Dette skal jeg ordne i dag. Det skyldes slett ikke likegladhet, men et par tilbakefall for undertegnedes side når det gjelder sykdom.  Sender bladene i dag. []

Mandag kveld sender Viasat et program der politiet ber om opplysninger omkring drapet på Egil.  Er det noen "der ute" som har noe å bidra med - stå frem!

samadhi...?

Kristoffer Paulsen var jo innom.  Det samme var et par kompiser av Eirik Bakke fra Sogndal.

Det er korrekt.  Husker ikke helt hvorfor han ikke spilte påfølgende kamp.

Veteranen...!

quote:Originally posted by Jon R

Men var Hawley riktig svar da Flynn? Jeg sjekket nettopp på nettsiden leedsfans.org.uk og det står at han ble kjøpt 1. mai 1978! En merkelig dato for transfers både idag og på den tiden og jeg tror ikke det stemmer.Ikke minst fordi Armfield vel ble sparket etter 77-78 sesongen, der siste kamp var 29.04 . Igjen, til den som vet: Ble han innkjøpt av Armfield eller Stein? []

Jon R.

Datoen er nok korrekt, Jon.  Han kom som det siste kjøpet Armfield gjorde på Elland Road.  Dermed står vi igjen med Hart, Currie, Flynn, Hankin og Graham i vilkårlig rekkefølge - i tillegg til Hawley.

Nytt spørsmål;  Mot hvem debuterte John Lukic?

Vet ikke om det er nødvendig med hint til denne fenomenalt oppdaterte forsamlingen, men laget er nevnt tidligere i tråden...

Og så må vi ikke glemme å gratulere David Rennie med dagen i dag.
43 år har den trauste stopperen blitt etterhvert.

Rennie spilte for Leeds fra januar 1986 til juli 1989.

Hvem føger opp med gratulasjoner til den neste tidligere Leeds-spilleren med bursdag?

quote:Originally posted by ToreLA

Trist sak, men synes det er tøvete å prøve å rette søkelyset mot treningsmetoder på grunn av slikt. Slikt kan skje, og det skjer stadig vekk dessverre. Livet er skjørt.

Nesten det samme skjedde jo i Leeds United for 15 år siden. Daniel Yorath, sønnen til Terry, døde da de to spilte fotball i hagen, og som det skrives her, det er slike ting som av og til skjer.  Uten at det gjør det mindre tragisk av den grunn...

["å treffe spikeren på hodet"]

Det er noe som heter "å treffe spikeren på hodet", og det er vel nettopp det Bob her gjør.

Glimrende oppsummering av en skammelig prossess.  Den føyer seg bare inn i en lang, lang rekke av slike transaksjoner gjennomført av Ken Bates gjennom mange år.

[motivene]

quote:Originally posted by Tom S

"Uansett er jeg enig med Veteranen her om at det blir vanskelig å få solgt klubben også i fremtiden, nå av flere årsaker enn noen gang."
- Sverre

Kva legger du i dette Sverre?



WE'RE LEEDS AND PROUD!!!

I det legger jeg at Ken Bates nå har langt mere makt enn noensinne.  Det påvirker bl.a. prisen i stor grad.

Han har fått kvittet seg med en hel del gjeld, som han tilsynelatende slet langt mer med enn han hadde trodd. Videre har han (på en måte) fått "parkert" en del brysomme interessenter, som hadde en sjanse til å gå inn i klubben i sommer, men som ikke benyttet en gylden anledning - "shame on them".

Her kan jeg godt gi Bates litt honnør, fordi han korrekt nok var den eneste som kom med penger for snart 3 år siden, men det er motivene til Bates jeg hele veien har mislikt.

Men først og fremt er det personen Ken Bates som utgjør det store problemet...

Ja, jeg regnet vel med det... []

Frank Sve, Asbjørn, er det en (fjern) slektning, eller...?

Siv har ham som sin "drømme-ordfører".

[Det positive som er kommet ut av dette:]

quote:Originally posted by veteranen

Takk til Svend Anders for at han innhentet og postet disse tallene.

Tallene vise det vi visste fra før: Bates bud var ikke det beste. Han vant denne "konkuransen" ene og alene fordi han samkjørte prosessen sammen med Astor.

Det positive som er kommet ut av dette: Klubben er så og si gjeldfri i forhold til eksterne kreditorer. I og med at også lønnsnivået nå er nede på normalt nivå, kan klubben faktisk begynne og tjene penger fra og med inneværende sesong. Dette er selvfølgelig positivt!

De negative konsekvensene av denne dealen: At Bates fremdeles eier klubben - med alt det medfører av fandenskap! - er i seg selv dårlige nyheter. At den rotete gjennomføringen av denne prosessen har ført til at vi måte starte sesongen med 15 minuspoeng, er heller ikke noe å hoppe i taket for.

Og så har vi dette: Det kommer til å bli en veldig kostbar affære for andre å kjøpe klubben fra Bates! Astor skal ha tilbake sine penger - pluss litt til! Bates skal ha tilbake det han måtte ha brukt på klubben - og han skal sannsynligvis ha litt til han også! Og da snakker vi nok om sammenlagte summer på over 30 mill pund! Og husk at vi her snakker om en klubb som ikke eier verken stadion eller treningsannlegg.

Og da vil jeg gjerne stille ett spørsmål til dere som var så happy i utgangspunktet, fordi dere mente at det ville bli enklere og billigere for andre å kjøpe klubben etter at Bates hadde "ordnet opp": Mener dere dette fremdeles? Jeg tipper at det kommer til å bli minst like dyrt å kjøpe klubben fra Bates, som hvis noen hadde tilbudt seg å betale ut all gjeld (35 mill Pund) under administrasjon!

Så den konklusjonen jeg trakk da det ble klart at Bates fikk kjøpe klubben tilbake første gang ("Dette er dårlige nyheter for Leeds!"), holder jeg fremdeles fast ved. Når jeg ikke har forandret mening, så er ikke det fordi jeg er så standhaftig at jeg ikke er istand til å endre stanpunkt, men heller fordi jeg ikke har sett noe som helst av gode argumenter for å gjøre det!

Men kanskje ser noen av dere som tok Bates-bølgen i begynnelsen av mai måned litt annerledes på tingene nå, eller...?

Jeg har lenge antydet at det kan komme til å koste ca. £ 50 mill. å overta klubben når den tid måtte komme.  Spørsmålene i så måte er svært mange.

-  Når selger Bates?
-  Hvilken divisjon spiller Leeds i når det eventuelt blir salg?
-  Blir det flere opprykk i årene før et salg?
-  Hvor mye investeres fra nå av og til et eventuelt salg?
-  Har Bates eierinteresser i E.R. og T.A.?

Uansett er jeg enig med Veteranen her om at det blir vanskelig å få solgt klubben også i fremtiden, nå av flere årsaker enn noen gang.

Foreslår at de som ikke vil se noe negativt når de er her inne om kun å benytte seg av "positivitets-tråden".

Som Leeds-supporter anno 2007 må du bare venne deg til at det blir mye negativitet, og dersom du ikke tåler det, er ikke OEF generellt stedet for deg...

Støtter dermed Hot Shot's innlegg litt lenger oppe i tråden!

quote:Originally posted by Dorigo`s left foot

quote:Originally posted by Budda

Hvem er den karen som Wise klemmer på?

Det er coachen vår Joe Allen.

Kom fra Chelsea tror jeg...

Er det ikke Joe Allon han heter, da?

Kanskje flisespikkeri, men...?

quote:Originally posted by WeAreLeeds

Det er trist lesing med vakter som behandler folk sånn.. det er helt komisk usmakelig

Men jeg liker denne Edwards! []




After Chaos Cometh Light -  We Are Leeds!

Ja - Gary Edwards er en av de store.  Mange av 'våre' supportere har også møtt ham på ulike treningskamper i Norge de siste årene...

Tap 2-3. Beckford, Kandol. []

Vel, han var der senest i vinter, men kanskje ikke på Elland Road.

Han delte bl.a. ut "Ã...rets Spiller"-trofeet til Rob Hulse.

Kanskje er han like dårlig tatt vare på som mange andre av ex-spillerne...?

Fant ikke igjen denne artikkelen på nett-utgaven, og limer den derfor direkte inn.  Interessant lesning, bl.a. om hvordan man behanler presse og supportere utenfor Elland Road.  Ikke akkurat god Leeds-reklame...


The man pouring my Guinness might be grey-haired and beer-bellied, but he is still unmistakably Peter Lorimer - known in his heyday as the man with the hardest shot in the game. In his beaten-up pub in a beaten-up part of Leeds, he is a throwback to an age when retired football greats got to run their own public house - if they were lucky. He's been here 20 years, and it's no doddle. If the Scottish international had retired today, he'd be worth millions - probably tens of millions.

Yet while today's top players are milking it, the game itself verges on bankruptcy. (Forty-one clubs are estimated to have been in administration or receivership since 1992.) Nowhere has the lunacy of football finance been more dramatically exemplified than at Leeds United, who start life in English football's third tier today for the first time.

Lorimer, now a director at Leeds, is looking on the bright side. "Course I'm optimistic. Course I am. It's a new team, a new era, a rebuilding process. The fans are entitled to be angry. But we've got a chance now to rebuild the club, and get the fans smiling again." He breaks off to shout back to the kitchen. "That's one sausage, egg and chips, love." Everything about the pub is dark brown - floor, walls, tables. At the far end is an unplayed piano with two arrows stuck to the music stand - left for the Gents, right for the Ladies.

I ask Lorimer who his favourite Leeds player is. "The most knowledgeable player in the side was Johnny Giles. He was our cog in the wheel if you like." His accent is pure Leeds these days.

And his favourite in the current team? "I don't think of favourite players now at my age," he says diplomatically.

Don Revie's Leeds of the late 60s and early 70s is one of the great British sides. Even today, many football fans recite the team like a litany - Harvey, Reaney, Madeley, Bremner, Charlton, Hunter, Lorimer, Clarke, Jones, Giles, Gray. Leeds United were famous worldwide, equally admired and despised. Admired because they could play the beautiful game (Revie created the all-white kit as a homage to Real Madrid, and the first cry of Olé was heard at Elland Road when Leeds passed, flicked and taunted Southampton into submission), despised because they could be dirty as sin - both on and off the pitch. There have been good Leeds sides since the great side. In 1992, they won the final First Division under Howard Wilkinson, and only six years ago reached the semi-finals of the European Champions League. But in recent years, they have been more despised than admired. In 1998, Leeds fans chanted racist abuse at Leicester's Asian community. Things reached a nadir in 2000 when Jonathan Woodgate was convicted of affray after a nightclub incident left Sarfraz Najeib with a broken leg, nose and cheekbone (Lee Bowyer was charged but subsequently cleared of assault).

It was around then that Leeds went into decline. The club spent money it didn't have, bought players on loan for a fortune and were forced to flog them, often at a fraction of their real value. In 2003 the chairman Peter Ridsdale resigned after revealing the club was £79m in debt. A couple of years ago, the former Chelsea chairman Ken Bates, one of the most controversial figures in football, emerged as an unlikely saviour when he paid £10m for a 50% stake in the club. Just as it looked like they were on the up, they finally went into freefall. Last year, Leeds were a shoo-in to return to the Premier League, but Watford beat them in the play-off final. Now, astonishingly, the club finds itself fighting off relegation to the old fourth.

On the other side of Lorimer's bar, Paul Savery has just heard that the 15-point deduction will stand, and he's ready to weep into his pint glass. "I honestly can't believe it. I can't. It's gutting to see us down there." He is aware that Leeds are not the most popular club in the land.

"We are hated by a lot of other fans," Savery says. But a weird thing has been happening in recent weeks. "I went to the Wigan friendly on Saturday, and there was a Manchester United flag around the Billy Bremner statue." He looks embarrassed. "'Keep your head up,' it said. Not directed at the club, but the fans. I were really shocked - it were nice. Other clubs don't think we deserve to be down there. Maybe they miss playing us, I don't know."

Gordon McQueen, who went on to play for United, still has a soft spot for Leeds. "My wife's from Leeds, and she was so proud of her team. They are the proudest fans in the country, but now they are just embarrassed." He believes Risdale is largely to blame for the fiasco. "That's where it all started, getting themselves into debt like that. Don Revie would be turning in his grave. He ran the club from top to bottom absolutely brilliantly. He was a far better businessman-manager than all the businessmen running the club when they got into trouble."

Not all the former players share his affection. "I don't know anything about Leeds. Not been there for years," bellows Jack Charlton down the phone. " I couldn't name one player. Nobody ever expected that to happen to a big club. That's all I'm saying, thanks." That was another of the club's mistakes - while Bremner, Eddie Gray and Allan Clarke took over at various points, the two really able managers, Charton and Giles, never got to run the club. Gray, who played on the opposite wing to Lorimer, tells me that the 15-point penalty is just too much to make up. "They won't go up with that deduction. If they started level, they'd have a good chance."

Elland Road is empty but for a handful of fans at the ticket office. Tony Doran is Leeds from top to bottom - Bremner shirt, Leeds tattoo on arm and shoulder, Leeds wallet, Leeds glasses case, Leeds earring. He wants to know what's happening with his season ticket. "I paid by credit card and the card's not gone through yet." At the club pub, Billy's Bar, and the souvenir shop only cash is accepted. The credit card companies are refusing to accept credit from Leeds.

What's the feeling like in the city? "Not good," he says. "We've never been this low before. We'll be lucky to get 15,000 next season."

Doran is with his niece. I ask her if she has noticed a change in him. "Yeah. He's not had a smile on his face for a year."

As the photographer takes his picture, a security man emerges and asks what we are doing here. I'm talking to fans, I say. He makes a call to the press officer, and says I have to leave.

"Can I speak to the press officer?"

"No, he won't talk to you. You have to leave. This is private property."

I feel angry, as Doran does. He has spent tens of thousands of pounds on his club over the years, and he would like to have his photograph taken inside Elland Road, but the club won't allow it. "Disgusting. They treat us like scum," he says.

We head off for the Billy Bremner statue, outside the ground, which has become a shrine to Leeds United. Bremner stands proud, head in the sky, surrounded by shirts and poignant messages. "Don't let Leeds United Die." "Retract the 15 points! LUFC Ultras forever." "Pride and passion will keep us alive! Bates won't!"

Seven miles from the ground, in Kippax, Gary Edwards' van is parked in his drive - "decorator and gynaecologist, no job too small" is painted on the side. Edwards, who hasn't missed a match for 39 years since he was 11, has a sense of humour. But he's not smiling today. Can he believe what has happened to Leeds? "Oh yeah, I don't disbelieve owt in football now."

He has brought down a tiny fraction of his memorabilia. The house looks like a ransacked museum. On the wall, alongside the Leeds photos, are portraits of the Queen and Churchill.

In 1978, Edwards got married. But things didn't work out - his wife, who was a football fan, thought he'd miss a match for the wedding. "The marriage lasted two weeks. I were married and divorced before the Argentina World Cup had finished, to be honest. I know it sounds daft." He refuses to paint red (Manchester United) and will paint the first layer of white over red for free. The back of his shirt says "FCUK 'em all. We are Leeds."

The thing that riles him most is that Leeds are to be sponsored by a company called Red Kite this season, and a splash of red has been introduced into the shirt. "They are taking the piss."

Edwards is a conspiracy theorist. He is convinced that Bates actually hates the club, and is out to destroy Leeds "Years ago, after Leeds fans rioted at Chelsea, he said I'll see Leeds out of the league. But I can't for the life of me find the cutting in all these boxes," he says pointing to his endless albums. Is there not a tiny part of him that wished Leeds had gone out of business, and he could have started his life all over again? He smiles. "Funnily enough it did cross my mind. Someone asked what I'd do and I said I'd be in Key West within a fortnight. You wouldn't see me again. "

Edwards is in the Leeds camp that chants "Shirts off, if you want Bates out." "Now ," he says, it's got to 'Shoes off, if you want Bates out!'" Where will it all end? "If it's a nice day on Saturday, the whole lot might come off."

[Prince of Wales]

quote:Originally posted by h.b

Synes vi kan ha en liten hvem liker/hvor går vi hen for drikke/spisse når vi er i Leeds
Sjappa til Peter the Comercial inn skal ikke være med i denne kåring. Det er urettferdig mot andre.
Pub
1)Whitelock
2)Husker ikke navnet på den , men ligger/lå 30 meter nedenfor La Comida. Ikke den som lå på andre siden av La Comida

Spise
Har egentlig inget stamsted nå, ettersom La Comida er lagt ned



Ã... være Leeds supporter er verdens hardeste og dårligst betalte yrke. 0 kroner i lønn og en 24 timers arbeidsdag

Prince of Wales - glimrende lokalpub med 'live' musikk.

Tror også det.  Såvidt jeg vet har vi fortsatt solgt rundt 10.000 sesong-billetter, men hvem vet etter sommerens videreverdigheter?  De fleste som kjøper sesong-billett gjør det innen en viss dato på sommeren, ettersom prisen stiger etter denne datoen (tror vi snakker om juni).

Hørte også Bates mumle noe om 17.000 medlemmer.  I såfall har svært mange ikke fornyet ennå, men jeg er litt usikker på hva han egentlig sa akkurat der...